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#2403427 - 03/28/15 05:34 AM New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems
Brometeo Online   content
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Registered: 09/17/11
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Loc: Madrid (Spain)
I have now a Kawai CA97 smile

After some playing I suspect that need more adaptation time. New SK piano sound seems better overall than previous EX samples, with a great balance and less "screaming". Touch... I hope that I'll get it with some time. It is more responsive, but I might adapt to the new feel.

For now I have found some problems. Some of them are very annoying:

* Last treble notes from Shigeru SK have very high volume. I hear the evident change of volume from D#6 / E-6. It is very difficult getting pp with those notes. EX sample seems more balanced in that respect. The difference is very surprising.

* If you play C-0 + C-1, press damper pedal without releasing notes and then release notes, sound doesn't dissolve naturaly. It is hear for ever, until yo release damper pedal.

* High volume values gives an uncontrolled sound, more evidently than CA95. My volume is now at middle, because higher value sounds "muddy".

* I have a little problem with two keys (click sound when pressed). I'll contact my dealer for a happy and early solution with that smile

And that is all for now. It seems good enough piano, but that is not a surprise, being an owner of Kawai CA95 until last two weeks.

I hope that my fingers greets the new touch in next months.

Greets.
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#2403434 - 03/28/15 06:03 AM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
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Thank you for that info. Please keep us posted.

Any chance you could make a real world recording of the new SK samples?
I'd mean, simple chords and scales, not using the internal USB recording, but using one of (mobile phone, mics, line out, headphones out).

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#2403459 - 03/28/15 07:50 AM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
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I suspect you will need to do some tweaking in the Virtual Technician section to get the effects that you desire. What is your damper resonance set at? I think that set to a lower amount will resolve your issue with the lower notes continuing on for too long. I felt the same way on my MP11 and changed the DR to 3. That was much more realistic, IMO.

For the high notes, those of course are undampered on an acoustic and tend to ring out more as a result. However, if you find these are just too ringy, perhaps you can change your Touch setting? I'm not sure what it's on, but play around with that setting. If that doesn't help, play around with the EQ in those frequencies. You can also try changing the Brilliance of the sound, and also the Voicing (I have mine set to Dynamic).

The clicky thing is important to have addressed, but the above two things are solvable with using the many features available to make your piano sound as you prefer. The Virtual Technician is a great asset to have on an instrument and I love the variety you can get from the same instrument.

The action is great, and so if you are used to playing a different DP, it will take a few weeks to get used to it, but really stick through that period. When you are ready, I'd love to see pictures and hear a recording! smile
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#2403609 - 03/28/15 02:30 PM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: lophiomys]
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Originally Posted By lophiomys

Any chance you could make a real world recording of the new SK samples?
I'd mean, simple chords and scales, not using the internal USB recording, but using one of (mobile phone, mics, line out, headphones out).


I'm afraid my life is very busy now for that. What do you want it for?
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#2403621 - 03/28/15 02:48 PM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Morodiene]
Brometeo Online   content
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Originally Posted By Morodiene
I suspect you will need to do some tweaking in the Virtual Technician section to get the effects that you desire. What is your damper resonance set at? I think that set to a lower amount will resolve your issue with the lower notes continuing on for too long. I felt the same way on my MP11 and changed the DR to 3. That was much more realistic, IMO.


When I say "for ever" I mean "for ever" smile

I think it is a bug with Shigeru SK samples. With other sounds it works fine.

Quote:

For the high notes, those of course are undampered on an acoustic and tend to ring out more as a result. However, if you find these are just too ringy, perhaps you can change your Touch setting?


Perhaps... For now I only show my surprise about a bit "lazy" global piano adjustment. Those details convert a "Whow" experience in a mere "So so...".

Quote:

The action is great, and so if you are used to playing a different DP, it will take a few weeks to get used to it, but really stick through that period. When you are ready, I'd love to see pictures and hear a recording! smile


Without controling the action yet, I see tha gain from CA95. It is easier yo be precise when playing soft passages.

On the other hand, new sampled sounds seem a little overprocessed and muddy compared to EX classical Kawai sample. Low frequencies, for example, are more bombast, losing detail and richness from EX. Middle frequencies gain from EX and overall balance is better, but my impression at the moment can't be other than "So, so"...

Not a bad piano at all. Perhaps I waited for more "love" in details.
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#2403635 - 03/28/15 03:15 PM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
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Quote:
What do you want it for?

Just to get a general idea of the real world sound of the new SK samples. I will not make it to a musik store with a CA67 for another few weeks.

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#2403654 - 03/28/15 03:53 PM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
Morodiene Offline
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Originally Posted By Brometeo


Not a bad piano at all. Perhaps I waited for more "love" in details.


Then get into that Virtual Technician and give it some love smile.
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#2403917 - Yesterday at 09:37 AM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: lophiomys]
ColoRodney Offline
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Registered: 02/07/14
Posts: 65
Originally Posted By lophiomys
Thank you for that info. Please keep us posted.

Any chance you could make a real world recording of the new SK samples?
I'd mean, simple chords and scales, not using the internal USB recording, but using one of (mobile phone, mics, line out, headphones out).




Why not the internal USB? Not only is it a heck of a lot easier to do, it would be much more accurate than recording with a mobile phone.

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#2403926 - Yesterday at 10:17 AM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
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Registered: 07/12/11
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Loc: St Paul Minnesota USA
The USB Recorder is the most accurate way of capturing what the Sound Engine produces. However, what we hear comes from the Speakers. And the Amplifiers will produce a different sound thru the Speakers.
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#2403943 - Yesterday at 11:18 AM Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
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Registered: 07/19/14
Posts: 200
Loc: Europe
You will measure the weakest part of the chain, and this would be the microphone of the mobile not the speakers of the piano nor its amplifier.


Edited by jtsn (Yesterday at 11:18 AM)
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#2404169 - 3 minutes 10 seconds ago Re: New Kawai CA97: first impression and some problems [Re: Brometeo]
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Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
Brometeo,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts about your new CA97 - congratulations on your new piano.

If you have not done so already, may I recommend that you update to the latest CA97 software, available from:

http://www.kawai-global.com/support/updates/

Please let me know if this improves the sound/playability of the instrument.

Kind regards,
James
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