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#2403477 - Yesterday at 08:40 AM What monitors do you use with your MP11?
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I'm considering upgrading my monitors for my MP11. I know this has been asked before, but I want to be specific about the MP11 even though probably most good monitors will sound good for any DP. I just want to make sure that they work well with the range the MP11 is capable of. I'm especially concerned about the bass.

I'll probably be looking in the used market, but I am realizing that with the outlook of spending all summer listening to mine on the smaller monitors I currently have (Behringer MS-16s) is not doing the instrument any justice.

For price range, I'd say $500. The space I have it currently in FL is quite a small room, but in WI it's a decent 12 x 14' space, hardwood floors and high ceilings, and it opens up into another similar-sized room, so having a bit more power would be nice. Last summer I was cooped up in an attic while we remodeled the downstairs so the smaller speakers really didn't bother me much, but definitely want a change that will do justice to the MP11.
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#2403492 - Yesterday at 09:07 AM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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Good Morning Morodiene

You can probably find some good used monitors for sure in the $500 range, but I would consider looking at the PreSonus Eris E8. From my experience with the Eris E5s, I find them to be an exceptional value for the price. They have a very clean and clear sound and seem to be a well made quality monitor. Also, a second choice might be the JBL LSR308 - some great reviews. Again, keeping your budget in mind.

Or you can consider 5"s with a sub woofer. But if you have the room the 8"s are the way to go and would compliment you MP11 nicely.


http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ErisE8
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#2403495 - Yesterday at 09:16 AM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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I'm using a pair of Yamaha MSP5's. They're the bi-amplified version of the old Yamaha NS10's that the majority of recording studio's used to mix the most famous recording artists in the industry.

67 Watts per monitor (40w in the bass, 27 in the treble). These are perfect for the MP11. I've been using these for over 10 years (yes, they've been around for a long, long time, and still being sold). You can pick up these monitors for around $249 online, probably even less if buying used.

I use a pair at my home studio, and another pair at my office studio. If you ever do any mixing, or make a recording of any kind... if you can get it to sound the best you can on these monitors, then the recording will sound fantastic on everything else (car speakers, hi fi, home audiophile systems, PA's, everything)! Its built for mixing, but does a super, super job as studio monitors.

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#2403510 - Yesterday at 10:22 AM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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Chuck, that's great they can also be good for mixing. I was also going to look into some speakers for that purpose as well, so even better that they can do double duty! I'll definitely be on the look-out for those.
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#2403548 - Yesterday at 12:15 PM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By Marko in Boston
Good Morning Morodiene

You can probably find some good used monitors for sure in the $500 range, but I would consider looking at the PreSonus Eris E8. From my experience with the Eris E5s, I find them to be an exceptional value for the price. They have a very clean and clear sound and seem to be a well made quality monitor. Also, a second choice might be the JBL LSR308 - some great reviews. Again, keeping your budget in mind.

Or you can consider 5"s with a sub woofer. But if you have the room the 8"s are the way to go and would compliment you MP11 nicely.


http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ErisE8


Thanks, Marko. I'll definitely look into the Eris. Do you think these would work well for mixing also? Do you recommend 8" vs. 5" like the Yamaha MSP5 Chuck recommended?

edited to add: I'm wondering if the 8s might be too big, but the E5s might be just the right size considering I'm not in a largish space in either place.


Edited by Morodiene (Yesterday at 12:21 PM)
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#2403613 - Yesterday at 02:37 PM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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An on-going thread on this question (though not specifically about the MP-11):

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/low-end-theory/992878-jbl-lsr-305-vs-presonus-eris-e5.html

My bias is still that a 5" woofer is too small for good piano bass. A pair of 5" monitors with a small subwoofer would probably work fine, though.

. Charles

PS -- I'll be playing keyboard bass tonight, through my EV ZXA1 (8" woofer). If it survives, I'll pin a medal on it.

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#2403651 - Yesterday at 03:51 PM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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So it sounds like either go with 8" monitors or get 5" with a subwoofer? Is there any advantage to getting 8" over " + subwoofer (or vice versa)?
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#2403699 - Yesterday at 05:50 PM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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One subwoofer, and a pair of 5" speakers, should be a bit lighter, and cheaper, than two 8" speakers.

Aside from that, the setups should behave similarly. There's not much directionality in low bass sounds; the "stereo effect" comes from higher frequencies.

One other possibility, especially if you do a lot of music away from home (which I think you do):

. . a small powered PA system.

Yamaha made a 300-watt Stagepas powered PA system (out of production now) -- stereo speakers (8" woofers, small horn-loaded tweeters), and a mixer/amp (3 or 4 mic inputs, and a few instrument/line inputs). It's rather clunky, but it integrates nicely, and sounds good. No problem with bass, or volume, there. One of those, used, ought to be within your budget. It's been replaced by higher-power, more-expensive models.

The PA speakers tend to be built tougher than "monitor speakers". The speaker cones are always protected by a grille, and you can thrown them into a car without worrying.

Fender ("Passport") and Samson make similar systems. Whomever runs the sound system in your church might be helpful.

. Charles

Edit -- yes, the used ones are within budget:

http://used.guitarcenter.com/usedgear/index.cfm

and search on keyword "stagepas"


Edited by Charles Cohen (Yesterday at 06:01 PM)

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#2403710 - Yesterday at 06:12 PM Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By Morodiene
So it sounds like either go with 8" monitors or get 5" with a subwoofer? Is there any advantage to getting 8" over " + subwoofer (or vice versa)?




Hmm, I can not answer if there is any advantage to getting 8" over 5" + subwoofer (or vice versa). My non-technical opinion is that I might consider going with 8"s if I had to do it over. As much as I love my set up, I could have saved a few $$ and skipped the T10 sub woofer (or go with T8). Only because the T10 is almost too much power. So I find myself practicing "sometimes" with it off or turned down only because the 5"s are so good alone. The 8"s might eliminate the need for a sub altogether. However, it is truly an AWESOME playing sensation w/ my sub as I get that soundboard-like resonance to the ear and touch. Perfectly clear lows - never muddy or boomy. Not sure if I can get that feeling with 8"s alone. Plus, I love the fit of my setup. Tough call.

Edit: this is just my personal experience. PianoManChuck is certainly a professional's experience. Plus he is an MP11 owner. So, you might already have your answers.



Edited by Marko in Boston (Yesterday at 06:20 PM)
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#2403835 - 16 minutes 13 seconds ago Re: What monitors do you use with your MP11? [Re: Morodiene]
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Marko --

Your signature line says that you have a Stagepas 400i.

Have you tried playing the DP through that, instead of the Presonus speakers?

. . . And if so, how did it sound?

Thanks --

. Charles

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