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#2404471 - Yesterday at 02:34 PM Digital Piano for an adult Beginner.
Prinz Offline
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Registered: 03/29/15
Posts: 6
Hi everybody,

i would like first of all to thank you all for the posts here. I enjoyed reading many threads, especially those
helping me now choosing a DP.

I am an adult beginner and had started a month ago learning.

Now i am planning to buy a DP. After many reviews and direct contact with many DP here my final candidates:

- KAWAI: CN 24 or ES100: I really like the sounds and actions. For me CN24(1000 EUR) is a little better, but the ES100is much cheaper (600 EUR here in Germany).
- YAMAHA YDP162 is ok but and comparable with the CN24.
- ROLAND: F-20 or F-120. Also good, but i am also impressed by the low price of the F-20 (600 E).

Since iam a beginner, all of these DP are good for me and i cannot really decide in a professionnal way.

I am planning to play daily betwenn 1h and 2 hours on it. Also my wife will play on it

So, does the quality of the key matters if a DP is so often used? Any ideas? Is it better to invest more money for the keys (Ivory Touch vs. Plastic)

I would really appreciate your recommendations.

Thanks in advance.

Prinz.

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#2404474 - Yesterday at 02:38 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
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They're all good, although I would leave out the ES100 or the F-20. Those are pretty low end and will probably be less satisfying in the long run.

Which one did you and your wife like the best? I ask this based solely on instinct and where your heart is. That's the one you should get.
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#2404476 - Yesterday at 02:47 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
Prinz Offline
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ok "money" speaking i was impressed by the F-20 or ES100, but it was clear that they will not "live" so long. But "heart" speaking i liked the F-120 and my wife the CN24. Since we are beginners, i don't know if those are good for daily use or not? Is your statement for the Es100 and F-20 (low end) based on the fact that they have plastic keys? Sorry for the many questions, but i don't want to buy a DP and regret the decision after maybe one year...

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#2404485 - Yesterday at 03:10 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
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I say the F-20 and ES100 because those are the low end models. Actually the Roland F-120 is a discontinued model, but slightly higher end. The F-20 and F-120 both have the same action, however, and the action is the most important thing, next is sound. Ivory tops or wooden keys really don't matter. I'm thinking since they put the same action in their next generation low end model, that's probably not going to be the best. I have not played the Roland F-120/20 which has the Ivory Feel-G action, but I'm leery of Roland actions in the mid- to low-end for regular practice.

Also, it seems you have a mixture of stage/portable pianos and cabinet-style ones in there. How important is that to your purchase?

Also note that Kawai recently came out with the CN25, which means you'll probably be getting a pretty good price for the CN-24. I'm partial to Kawai actions.

The Yamaha has the GH action, which is their lowest end. I would pass on that as well.

edited to add: Is there some reason you aren't considering Casios in your search?


Edited by Morodiene (Yesterday at 03:10 PM)
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#2404488 - Yesterday at 03:22 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
Prinz Offline
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Oh thanks for your detailed answer.

Stage or cabinet style doesn't matter. I am lucky in that point because my wife has the solution for both solutions (to place them in the suitable room)

You are right CN24 is for 980 Euro in Sale here in Germany (good deal?)

YAMAHA GH Action: I tried the YDP162 but i am not so impressed (may be i don't habe the right feeling because i am a beginner?)

Is there some reason you aren't considering Casios in your search?--> When i want to buy a camera i go for Nikon or Canon--> The same logic for me for DP. Although many people said the Casios are pretty good? (I didn't have the chance to play on the Casios)

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#2404582 - Yesterday at 06:08 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
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Registered: 07/16/10
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I have a Casio PX-5S, as can be seen in my signature, and I recommend it. Price to quality ratio of their pianos is very good, in my opinion. According to your initial list (which Morodiene is probably just commenting on, not ruling out Casios, just sticking to the pianos you your self had narrowed down to) you may want something with speakers, like Casio PX-850.

Regarding the Yamaha YDP162, the GH action is NOT Yamaha's lowest end. The GHS (Graded Hammer Standard) action, is their lightest action, GH, or Graded Hammer, heavier and GH2 heaviest. Yamaha has the GHS action in their low end models, GH in a bit better ones, and the GH2 in their best.

Casio, on the other hand, puts the same, considerably heavy action, in all their models.

Whatever you end up with, try before you buy!


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#2404617 - Yesterday at 07:38 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: TheodorN]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
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IMHO (see below), the Casio's are competitive with (in quality and sound) -- and maybe better than -- other DP's in their price class. Don't ignore them because of the brand name.

If you can stretch your budget a bit, try the Roland F130R. IMHO it's better than the F-120 and much better than the F-20.

. Charles

PS -- bias -- I have a Casio PX-350. The key action is pretty good, more-or-less on par with the Yamaha GH action. Its built-in piano sounds are OK. I use it to drive Pianoteq (a software piano) -- better sounds, that way.

PPS -- for a comparison of the F130R and F120, try here:

http://azpianonews.blogspot.ca/2014/07/R...best-price.html

Tim Praskins may be biased (it's a complicated issue), but his comparisons of DP's within a brand are probably trustworthy.

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#2404622 - Yesterday at 07:52 PM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
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Hello Prinz, welcome to the forum.

To echo the advice already provided by others, I would recommend that you play-test as many pianos within your budget as possible, and purchase the instrument yourself and your wife enjoy playing the most.

If you intend to practise/play for 1~2 hours a day, I would suggest that you disregard the price tag, and simply opt for the best piano you can afford.

Best of luck!

Kind regards,
James
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#2404718 - Today at 01:46 AM Re: Digital Piano for an adult Beginner. [Re: Prinz]
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Registered: 01/28/15
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Hallo Prinz und wilkommen!

Synthetic ivory and plastic keytops are the same thing, the first have just a bit grippier surface, for when your fingers get a bit sweaty.

The price you get for the cn24 is a good one, since the new cn25 costs about 1250. There are some improvements on the 25, but i played both, and for 250 discount i could easily settle for the 24.

By the way, after a couple of months Kawai settled as my favourite piano in almost all price classes, by touch and tone. I tried out the ydp162 and f120 though, and found them good indeed: you will have to experiment a bit with your hands and ears.
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