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#2404846 - 03/31/15 10:46 AM Help choosing stage piano
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Hello,
I need help choosing a stage piano. I own a Nord Electro 4d, which I love. I want to add a second fully weighted keyboard. I need it to be very lightweight and portable, I move by public transportation. Are there any 73 or 76 keys piano action keyboards? I've seen Electro HP (which would be redundant) and Korg SV1.
I play mainly jazz and funk, so I need good pianos and good electric pianos, with tweakable ffects. My budget is around 1000-1500€. I don't need a 88 key DP, I own one.

Can any of you help me?
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#2404873 - 03/31/15 11:38 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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CASIO PX-5S is very popular at the moment for its ultra light weight and very affordable price point. Same action and piano sound as the PX-350 a lot of people here own.

It does have 88keys but wow is it light. The electric piano sounds are particularly good, and it has a synth layer that I promise you sounds nothing like the Nord.

SV-1 is an option, I don't care for the rounded shape. Makes carrying it odd and you need a particular bag. But I do dig the super easy interface.

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#2404881 - 03/31/15 11:45 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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I have a Korg SV1 73 key I'm very satisfied with it. The electric piano sounds are some of the best I ever played. The acoustic piano sounds are very useable. Its a bit on the heavy side when compared to something like the CASIO PX-5S but being 73 keys its not bad because being smaller its not as awkward to carry. I'm 55 yrs old and I have no qualms about carrying it. The only other option I see in your price range is maybe the Roland RD-64

All the other 73 & 76 key options I know of are either way out of your price range or Semi-Weighted.
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#2404896 - 03/31/15 12:05 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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For your needs, deypo, I think if I were still gigging in NYC and had to ride the subway, there is only one quality keyboard I would get: the Roland RD-64.

It does weigh 28 lbs, and there are lighter 88-key pianos (Casio, and especially Numa Compact at under 14 lbs). But I think size is as important as weight, and the Roland is only 44 inches long and less than 5 inches deep.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to get along with only 64 keys. I've never heard any player complain about the RD-64.

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#2404902 - 03/31/15 12:14 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Thanks for the replies,
I've seen the privia px-5s I gonna try it. It seems a very good stage piano, a 73 key version would be awesome but I think I could deal with 88 keys with its light weight.
I've read bad comments about Korg SV1: note cutting off too soon, key problems... Have you experimented any of those things?
About the Roland RD-64 I'm not sure if 64 are enough keys for me, I'll take a look at it.


Edited by deypo (03/31/15 12:19 PM)

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#2404928 - 03/31/15 01:13 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Originally Posted By deypo
Thanks for the replies,
I've seen the privia px-5s I gonna try it. It seems a very good stage piano, a 73 key version would be awesome but I think I could deal with 88 keys with its light weight.
I've read bad comments about Korg SV1: note cutting off too soon, key problems... Have you experimented any of those things?
About the Roland RD-64 I'm not sure if 64 are enough keys for me, I'll take a look at it.


I would jump to suggest the PX-5S despite the 88 keys. Having heard from others how light weight it is I would only add that - despite having 88 keys - Casio kept the length down compared to many other 88-key boards by putting mod/port wheels above, not on the side of the keybed.

This little lightweight beast not only has fantastic sounds and features (MIDI controller extraordinaire) but it is really designed for trudging through the world on your way to a gig.

The sounds will win you over as there's nothing quite like it at this price point - and for your purposes, the form factor will likely win you over too.

- OneWatt

ps - The other bonus is you get is Mike Martin/Casio for support (see: YouTube) and a Casio-hosted forum with great exchange. This is a first class effort in every respect.

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#2404967 - 03/31/15 03:17 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Can anyone also help out with suggestions for an 88 key weighted one? I have a Korg Kross and want to get a weighted 88 key I'd like to stay under $1800. I don't need a ton of sounds but I would like to stick with a synth.

Also I'm new to the site so please advise if it's best to post questions as new threads or in related threads like this. Thanks!

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#2404975 - 03/31/15 03:31 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: Sebs]
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Originally Posted By Sebs
Can anyone also help out with suggestions for an 88 key weighted one? I have a Korg Kross and want to get a weighted 88 key I'd like to stay under $1800. I don't need a ton of sounds but I would like to stick with a synth.

Also I'm new to the site so please advise if it's best to post questions as new threads or in related threads like this. Thanks!


Sorry if I'm sounding a bit like a broken record here, but the Casio PX-5S described above has 88 piano-weighted keys. While its main selling feature is not that its a synthesizer, it actually boasts some surprisingly strong synthesis capabilities (not as strong as its sibling the XW series but respectable by most standards). Check out Casio's website and Mike Martin's Youtube'ry.

(No affiliation with Casio - but owned a PX-5S and was delighted with it.)

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#2404978 - 03/31/15 03:36 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Other than the ones mentioned.
You can also check out the
YAMAHA CP-40
And the Kawai MP7
But nothing is going to do light and affordable like the PX-5S.

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#2404979 - 03/31/15 03:41 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Thanks all! I was just checking out the Casio PX-5S as suggested. Seems perfect and the price is less than I thought it would be. I'm sure it has plenty of sounds and at that price I would most likely keep my Kross. My main need is to have the feel of acoustic. I assume the PX-5S has the same size and feel of acoustic keys? What is the benefit of jumping up into the categories of Nord, Krome, etc. is it just they more bell sand whistles?

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#2404985 - 03/31/15 03:49 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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I was reading the manual seems to only have 2 pedal inputs that can only be sustain. Is this true? No switch or expression input?

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#2404988 - 03/31/15 03:58 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: Sebs]
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Originally Posted By Sebs
Thanks all! I was just checking out the Casio PX-5S as suggested. Seems perfect and the price is less than I thought it would be. I'm sure it has plenty of sounds and at that price I would most likely keep my Kross. My main need is to have the feel of acoustic. I assume the PX-5S has the same size and feel of acoustic keys? What is the benefit of jumping up into the categories of Nord, Krome, etc. is it just they more bell sand whistles?


The "piano-like" feel on this model is remarkably good for a keyboard in this price range.

Casio was a trail-blazer decades ago in the music keyboard field and then lost its mojo and got a reputation for making musical toys. One might imagine they are clawing their way back to respectability with offerings like the PX-5S, and perhaps trying to "buy back" share with surprisingly low pricing (at least for now).

Originally Posted By Sebs
I was reading the manual seems to only have 2 pedal inputs that can only be sustain. Is this true? No switch or expression input?


You are 100% correct. The PX-5S lacks an expression pedal input. According to those who require one, this is regarded as a glaring mistake. For others the omission is not such an issue (there are other ways to accomplish many of the things an expression pedal can typically be used for). But to be clear, if expression pedal is a must for you, look elsewhere.

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#2405011 - 03/31/15 04:38 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: OneWatt]
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Casio was a trail-blazer decades ago in the music keyboard field and then lost its mojo and got a reputation for making musical toys. One might imagine they are clawing their way back to respectability with offerings like the PX-5S, and perhaps trying to "buy back" share with surprisingly low pricing (at least for now).

Spot on - when I think Casio I always seem to associate them as lower end or toys. However, they do seem to be great products from what I hear and read.

Originally Posted By Sebs
I was reading the manual seems to only have 2 pedal inputs that can only be sustain. Is this true? No switch or expression input?


You are 100% correct. The PX-5S lacks an expression pedal input. According to those who require one, this is regarded as a glaring mistake. For others the omission is not such an issue (there are other ways to accomplish many of the things an expression pedal can typically be used for). But to be clear, if expression pedal is a must for you, look elsewhere. [/quote]

I can live without expression to save a bunch of money and try this PX - 5S out. Overall is Nord, Korg, etc. much more because the name and features? I know they great products but it doesn't seem to be worth paying an extra 1k for one in this situation, correct?

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#2405018 - 03/31/15 04:55 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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In the sub $2000 area that you're dabbling in, these are the units to look at. What do you get for breaking the $2k mark?. A lot. But mostly a lot of features you don't need to do a gig.
You may get a better sound set and arguably better action in the Yamaha CP4 which is also very light. But outside your budget.

Nord Stage 2, way out of your budget. Light, but it's red and has killer organ sounds you don't need, particularly if you already have an Electro 4D. Kurzweil Forte or Korg Kronos.... Way out of your budget, not light, workstation features you don't need for a gig. But arguably the best tech and sounds available at the moment.

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#2405019 - 03/31/15 04:57 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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After more reading:
"Pedal inputs on the PX-5S are also highly configurable and include Envelope Response. This allows an ordinary footswitch to control a parameter over time, allowing you to do volume swells, filter sweeps and control effects such as a wah-wah"

"... 2 footswitch inputs."

I thought it only had sustain/damper input. After reading this it sounds like it can have a couple swithes and effect very close to expression. I definitely think this one is by far the best option! Thanks you all for the advice!

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#2405025 - 03/31/15 05:08 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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A dark horse might be the Roland FA-08. Good action, ton of usable feature and sounds, and 36lbs for 1,799
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#2405036 - 03/31/15 05:46 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Sebs,
Yes, it can be configured to do more than just sustain. For example you can configure the sustain pedal to work like a wah pedal on the clav sounds. The big limitation of the sustain pedal on the PX-5S is that it doesn't offer half damping out of the box. There is a work around with the midi solutions pedal, but that's an extra expense and extra bit of gear to carry. Of course, if you don't need that effect, then it's not an issue.

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#2405043 - 03/31/15 05:54 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By Marko in Boston
A dark horse might be the Roland FA-08. Good action, ton of usable feature and sounds, and 36lbs for 1,799


That's a very good call! Of course the PX-5S is cheaper and lighter, and arguably has a better action (that's such a personal thing though, many would disagree), but the FA-08 has better sounds and has a lot of configurability. It might be just the ticket. It would definitely be worth looking into.
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#2405050 - 03/31/15 06:08 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Ya, fair enough. Roland's FA-08 should be in the running. I'd love to put in the RD800, but it's over budget.

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#2405053 - 03/31/15 06:21 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Roland fa-08 is a workstation? I think I don't need a workstation but I'm not sure. I use cubase when I want to write songs. I like full band music, so will I never use the benefits of a workstation? I'm prety sure I need a stage piano. I would love to have enoug money for yamaha cp4 or roland rd800... But they are out of my budget right now

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#2405064 - 03/31/15 06:46 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Indeed, the Roland is a bit overkill, but not by much. It's full of classic roland sounds as well as some of the newer Super Natural stuff you see on their DPs, Jupiter-80, and such. You can just ignore the features you don't need at $1799. But yeah.... PX-5S, under $999 most places, I've seen it for $750 at times on sale here and there. Otherwise, I'd look a the CP-40 or the MP7.

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#2405069 - 03/31/15 06:56 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By ElmerJFudd
Indeed, the Roland is a bit overkill, but not by much. It's full of classic roland sounds as well as some of the newer Super Natural stuff you see on their DPs, Jupiter-80, and such. You can just ignore the features you don't need at $1799. But yeah.... PX-5S, under $999 most places, I've seen it for $750 at times on sale here and there. Otherwise, I'd look a the CP-40 or the MP7.


Hey wait, if you're upping the budget, I'd join you in recommending that the Kawai MP7 is worth a very close look. It's not quite as light to tote around and as a MIDI controller it's not as configurable at the PX-5S, but as a keyboard with grand piano, EPs and Hammond tonewheel it's well worth the look. Unfortunately, they're a bit harder to find than the Casios are in inventory. smirk

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#2405075 - 03/31/15 07:09 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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So there we have it.

The short list.

SV-1
RD-64
PX-5S
CP-40
MP7
FA-08

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#2405104 - 03/31/15 09:33 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By ElmerJFudd
Ya, fair enough. Roland's FA-08 should be in the running. I'd love to put in the RD800, but it's over budget.


It's an amazing beast but it also weighs a beast's weight. Love it for my small office studio though!
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#2405111 - 03/31/15 10:22 PM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: petes1]
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Originally Posted By petes1
Originally Posted By ElmerJFudd
Ya, fair enough. Roland's FA-08 should be in the running. I'd love to put in the RD800, but it's over budget.


It's an amazing beast but it also weighs a beast's weight. Love it for my small office studio though!


It truly is an amazing beast for sure. I LOVE my 47 lbs baby!
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#2405159 - 04/01/15 01:44 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By ElmerJFudd
So there we have it.

The short list.

SV-1
RD-64
PX-5S
CP-40
MP7
FA-08



If we are also thinking about something affordable like the Casio PX-5S, I would add ES-100 from Kawai...
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#2405175 - 04/01/15 03:04 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Thanks, Mp7 weights 21kg (46 lbs) that's more than what I'm looking for. I'll take a look at CP40 and FA08 and kawai ES100. I'm not sure if they are portable enough. I own a Roland FP4, I like the piano but I don't really like its electric pianos. I will keep it at home. The new SP will rest in the rehearsal place and will be my gigging board.
Do you think we will see any 73 or 76 keys stage piano in april's Musikmesse? I would love an Artis 7 with weighted keybed.

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#2405259 - 04/01/15 08:28 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: Jasper E.]
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Originally Posted By Jasper E.
Originally Posted By ElmerJFudd
So there we have it.

The short list.

SV-1
RD-64
PX-5S
CP-40
MP7
FA-08



If we are also thinking about something affordable like the Casio PX-5S, I would add ES-100 from Kawai...


ES-100 isn't really intended as a pro stage piano. You can tell right away by some of the choices Kawai made in its design/price point. Firstly it has internal speakers and amplifier, which is handy on small acoustic ensemble gigs but inadequate for monitoring in band playing. Secondly, not only did they exclude balanced XLR outputs (like you find in the MP11) but they also chose to exclude 1/4" unbalanced outputs which is the standard for short runs to an amplifier on stage (most typically using the also absent L/mono output). You would have to use a headphone output and an adapter and many sound guys would balk about that (warranted or not).

If we're going to throw in all the slab DPs with speakers than I'm going to say at least include only the ones that have unbalanced 1/4" and/or balanced XLR outputs. The latter would eliminate the need for an additional direct box on stage. Take a look at the Yamaha P255 for example. Better choice for gigging stage piano.

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#2405260 - 04/01/15 08:30 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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Originally Posted By deypo
Thanks, Mp7 weights 21kg (46 lbs) that's more than what I'm looking for. I'll take a look at CP40 and FA08 and kawai ES100. I'm not sure if they are portable enough. I own a Roland FP4, I like the piano but I don't really like its electric pianos. I will keep it at home. The new SP will rest in the rehearsal place and will be my gigging board.
Do you think we will see any 73 or 76 keys stage piano in april's Musikmesse? I would love an Artis 7 with weighted keybed.


The Kurzweil Artis is a great choice, but the 88 weighted is out of your budget and the 76 key Artis 7 is in - but you don't get the weighted action on it. It's semi-weighted synth type action which most would agree is carp for playing piano libraries on.

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#2405301 - 04/01/15 10:49 AM Re: Help choosing stage piano [Re: deypo]
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FA-08 and PX-5S which one has more acoustic like weighted action? From what I read it sounds like the Casio is the closest keyboard to an acoustic. Are Roland piano sounds as good as Casio? I'm really torn; is the extra $700 worth it to with the FA-08 over the PX-5S?


Edited by Sebs (04/01/15 11:10 AM)

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