Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Yamaha CP4 Rebate
Yamaha CP4 Rebate
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
103 registered (AlanSanDiego, Aceituna, Almaviva, albumblatter, 33 invisible), 1255 Guests and 9 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#2405062 - Yesterday at 06:31 PM Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585?
eclectic Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 03/15/15
Posts: 3
Loc: San Francisco Bay area, Califo...
Basically, MIDI, MIDI-over-USB, or maybe Wi-Fi?

I know I could go MIDI-to-MIDI and that has the advantage of no ground loops but the disadvantage of requiring a MIDI dongle for the PC.

I think CLP-585 and other Clavinovas might have MIDI-over-USB. Has anyone had any luck with this? What PC software are you using that recognizes the MIDI-over-USB messages? That said I have not seen any documents from Yamaha that specify that Clavinovas are compatible with the USB's standard for MIDI implementation.

There is also the USB-to-Wi-Fi dongle that Yamaha sells - maybe eliminating need for any other cabling. Seems to be mostly for iPad apps but...The connection manual for the dongle (Yamaya UD-WL01) shows a picture of a Clavinova connecting via Wi-Fi to a notebook computer, iPhone, and iPad. The picture of the notebook computer gets my hopes up somewhat. What are the capabilities of a Clavinova-to-computer connection over Wi-Fi? Is using Wi-Fi to control a PC-based virtual piano a possibility?

People touched on the issue in this thread
http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2400325/Re:_Yamaha_Clavinova_CLP_585.html
But I don't see a definite answer there about USB and nothing about the Wi-Fi.

Top
(ads) Sweetwater / Roland
Your Next Keyboard is at Sweetwater

Click Here


#2405068 - Yesterday at 06:52 PM Re: Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585? [Re: eclectic]
ElmerJFudd Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/07/10
Posts: 324
The quick and easy way is to just use the USB port. Your PC has one, your DP has one, done. You would use the USB to Host port, BTW. The other USB connector is for a thumb drive.


Wifi MIDI s#cks - sorry to the wifi MIDI fans, but it does.

If the 585 is class compliant MIDI (which the manual suggests it does with the lack of information it gives) then you don't even need to install a driver. Windows or Mac OS will recognize the piano when you make the USB connection.

BTW, congratulations on your acquisition of a CLP-585, it's lovely isn't it?





Top
#2405072 - Yesterday at 07:00 PM Re: Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585? [Re: eclectic]
MacMacMac Offline
4000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 4034
Loc: North Carolina
Yamaha offers a driver that makes your piano look like a MIDI device over USB. (Unlike other brands, the Yamahas require that driver.)

With that in place, any piano or DAW software will "see" the piano. Just select "Clavinova1" in the DAW's MIDI-selection menu. (You can download that from Yamaha ... but didn't your piano come with that driver on a CD?)

But I don't recommend that approach. The problem is that the driver does not survive a sleep-wakeup cycle. Since I never want to shutdown my computer, I just put it in sleep mode overnight. But when I wake the computer, that MIDI driver chokes and won't revive unless I reboot. Not acceptable. (That was the story when I was running it on Windows XP. I don't know whether that holds true for Windows 7.)

Or you can just use straight MIDI. But in that case ... you have no place on the PC to plug in a MIDI cable. I chose to buy an external audio interface that includes the MIDI ports, as many (most?) of these boxes do. That box, in turn, plugs into the PC via USB. This interface box gives me a place to MIDI-connect the piano ... and it provides a superior audio interface.

The PC "sees" that audio box as:

(1) An audio interface. Now, in addition to the internal "Reaktek HD Audio" device, I have a "Presonus AudioBox" device. I choose the latter in the piano software's audio-device menu.

(2) A MIDI interface. It shows up as "Presonus AudioBox MIDI" device. I choose that in the piano software's MIDI-device menu.

Top
#2405073 - Yesterday at 07:06 PM Re: Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585? [Re: eclectic]
ElmerJFudd Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/07/10
Posts: 324
Ah, MacMacMac. You are right.
The 585 needs a driver. Easy, follow the directions here in the:

Computer-related Operations Manual

Top
#2405088 - Yesterday at 08:22 PM Re: Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585? [Re: eclectic]
eclectic Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 03/15/15
Posts: 3
Loc: San Francisco Bay area, Califo...
@MacMacMac and @ElmerJFudd - Wow, very helpful. Does anyone care care to say what software and what virtual pianos you have had best results via controlling with a Clavinova? I'm mainly interested in Windows but a MacBook is a possibility.

@MacMacMac, FWIW there was no CD-ROM in the box and the "included accessories" list does not include a disc.

@ElmerJFudd, thanks for the link to the computer operations manual - I hadn't seen that before. What problems did you encounter with MIDI over Wi-Fi? Bad news in a way, though it saves me from spending ~$120 on the adapter. As for the CLP-585 itself, everything that's living-room friendly in this price range has its plusses and minuses and I picked CLP-585 over the comparably priced Kawai and Roland units for the combination of feel plus the sound system.

Top
#2405093 - Yesterday at 08:48 PM Re: Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585? [Re: eclectic]
ElmerJFudd Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/07/10
Posts: 324
Wifi midi is sluggish... No where near capable at the moment of delivering the low latencies you will get with the USB cable. In other words, you'll play a key in the CLP and wait a moment for the software piano to react.

A MacBook Pro is a great idea. You can use a PC laptop, but you'll have to install an ASIO driver and experiment a bit to get optimal performance. If you do go PC, spec at least as well as the MBP. i5 or i7 processor @ 2.7ghz or better with 8gb of ram and a 256 or 512mb SSD. Or if you go spinning hard drive, get a 7200rpm drive.

Some popular software pianos include Synthogy Ivory, Pianoteq 5, Ravenscroft 275.

Top
#2405146 - 10 minutes 1 second ago Re: Best way to control a PC virtual piano from Yamaha CLP-585? [Re: eclectic]
Frédéric L Online   content
Full Member

Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 161
Loc: France
I connect my CLP150 in MIDI and back the PC to the CLP-150 in audio to get the sound come from the piano.

With USB, I have ground loop.

With both MIDI, I have ground loop. With only the piano to PC MIDI I could prevent ground loop.

I can also insert the PC to MIDI halfway and have no ground loops, but a functional link.
N

Top

Moderator:  Piano World 
Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
circle of 5ths coaster
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Hal Leonard Teacher VIP
Hal Leonard Teacher VIP Your Source for Piano Music
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
What happened to Polyphonist?
by JoelW
03/31/15 10:45 PM
Sohmer Upright piano model 34A
by dbf
03/31/15 09:25 PM
A long over due update...
by Les Koltvedt
03/31/15 09:04 PM
Piano Movers Tightened a Leg Bolt too Tightly
by pianoman9
03/31/15 08:17 PM
descending thirds with right hand
by pianu_reeves
03/31/15 06:40 PM
What's Hot!!
Trade Regrets: Gary Trafton - Piano Rep
--------------------
Historic Piano Documents
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Forum Stats
78,727 Registered Members
43 Forums
162,896 Topics
2,390,949 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission