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Hello,
I am new to this forum, first time posting. I have scoured the internet and spoken to Yamaha themselves and they are firm with their answer.
Basically, I know that playing the DGX650 and the P105 side by side at a local store yielded that the DGX has a much better action. ALTHOUGH, they are supposed to be the same. So I asked Yamaha, is it possible that it has something to do with the build quality? Keybed parts? Chassis construction that it's more solid on the DGX? The tech support was firm on their answer that it's the exact same keyed. However, the sound engine is different due to the many more sounds the 650 can play. So that brought up another thought...is it possible they adjusted the GHS action to better suit the additional sounds?
The P105 keys are noisier and clunky and make a terrible sound when released quickly. I have played the 105 in a few different stores, so it's not that one particular unit. The DGX does not have this same issue and the arpeggios I played on the DGX registered perfectly, while the 105 had skipped notes, and i wasn't able to play them as smooth.
So, anyone have any real hands-on experience with either? Thank you so much for your help.
BTW, I am a trained pianist, and songwriter, and that's why I am leaning towards the 650...as a writing tool, but also needs to be able to trigger software pianos very well. I most likely will not track the internal piano sound.
Jake
I should note that i am looking at the new P115 that replaces the 105, hopefully that will be better? And also the Kawai ES100 is another contender.
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I think you don't need further help, unless portability is a factor, and the 650 it is. Did you consider alternatives from other brands?
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Hello,
I am new to this forum, first time posting. I have scoured the internet and spoken to Yamaha themselves and they are firm with their answer.
Basically, I know that playing the DGX650 and the P105 side by side at a local store yielded that the DGX has a much better action. ALTHOUGH, they are supposed to be the same. So I asked Yamaha, is it possible that it has something to do with the build quality? Keybed parts? Chassis construction that it's more solid on the DGX? The tech support was firm on their answer that it's the exact same keyed. However, the sound engine is different due to the many more sounds the 650 can play. So that brought up another thought...is it possible they adjusted the GHS action to better suit the additional sounds?
The P105 keys are noisier and clunky and make a terrible sound when released quickly. I have played the 105 in a few different stores, so it's not that one particular unit. The DGX does not have this same issue and the arpeggios I played on the DGX registered perfectly, while the 105 had skipped notes, and i wasn't able to play them as smooth.
So, anyone have any real hands-on experience with either? Thank you so much for your help.
BTW, I am a trained pianist, and songwriter, and that's why I am leaning towards the 650...as a writing tool, but also needs to be able to trigger software pianos very well. I most likely will not track the internal piano sound.
Jake
I should note that i am looking at the new P115 that replaces the 105, hopefully that will be better? And also the Kawai ES100 is another contender. Having the DGX, I would concur the action seems better than that on the P105. It isn`t so quiet, mind. The piano is a solid option, but if it`s only the piano you want, you might find the keyboard of the ES7 (bit pricey, pedals and stand/seat extra) or the CN 25/35 is better. I`ve been happy with mine, particularly the piano which I reckon to be nicer sounding than Pianoteq which I use in tandem, but the action, though light (which I like) isn`t ideal. I`d definitely look at the latest aforementioned Kawais which seem to be very good value for a small extra amount of cash . . Have fun! The extra sounds on the DGX are really useful for music composition and simple recording, you can start with drums, drums/bass, guitar chords/strum and . . just go where it takes you . . .
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If you have tried several of that model and aren't happy with it, then you have your answer - or at least you've ruled out the P105. You mention you're actually looking at the P115, so I would test that - perhaps they fixed some of the issues that you are speaking of in the newer model.
What is your budget? I second peterws' recommendation to check out those Kawai models (I haven't played the ES100, but that is their base model and as a trained pianist, I don't think you will be happy in the long run with that). You may spend a bit more, but getting a better action will be much more inspirational for you if you can afford a bit more.
Also have you checked out Casios?
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If you are looking for a piano as a controller for software pianos (correct me if I misunderstood) then you may want to look at Kawai VPC1, I understand it has an action highly regarded by trained/classical pianists. It has no internal sounds of it's own, to make that clear.
If you want to stay inside the budget of the Yamahas P105 and DGX650 and Kawai ES100, then the Casios PX150 and PX350 are also perfectly fine as controllers, and both have internal piano voices, plus a lot (in the case of the PX350, at least) more nonpiano voices.
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Guys, the OP is clearly looking at low end pianos which probably suggests some budget constraints. A kawai ES7 or VPC1 might be pretty far outside their budget.  To the OP The DGX 650 is a fine choice. It does have USB to host connectivity so it should be able to drive software pianos just fine. In terms of price/features, the most comparable piano to the DGX 650 is the Casio Privia PX-350. It has very similar features and (arguably) a better keyboard action. Also the Px-350's optional stand has the option to include a triple pedal unit. And for song-writing ideas it also has a built in multi track sequencer. It's definitely worth checking out.
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Hi, I helped a friend buy a CASIO Privia PX5-S stage piano yesterday, and if you can stretch your budget that far, you'd be getting a very good all round DP with heaps of bang for buck. While at the music shop I saw a new Yamaha P115....and I really didn't like the keyboard action at all. I am pretty fussy, but was very pleasantly surprised by the very nice action on the Casio PX5-S. It works great as a controller too.
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Guys, the OP is clearly looking at low end pianos which probably suggests some budget constraints. A kawai ES7 or VPC1 might be pretty far outside their budget. That's why I said: "If you want to stay inside the budget of the aforementioned pianos...." 
Me on YouTubeCasio PX-5S. Garritan CFX, Production Grand 2 Gold, Concert Grand LE, AcousticSamples C7, some Sampletekks. Pianoteq 8 Std (Blüthner, SteinGraeber, NY/HB Steinway D).
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