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#2412191 - Yesterday at 05:54 PM MP11 Audio Differences
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Does anyone else notice the difference in tonality in the MP11 when using headphones vs XLR output to recording equipment? The headphones sound so full and lush while the direct output to a DAW is very mid intense and loses the balance. EQ is untouched and using the factory settings. I wonder if there are any known issues with the output circuitry. Sounds very different to me. I'd love to hear what you all think.

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#2412210 - Yesterday at 06:52 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: GA MP6]
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This is just a guess, but maybe the headphone output is modified to give a full frequency range sound in headphones. The XLR output will be a straight line out with no modification or tailoring. This can be done in the DAW with the array of VST processors that will be installed - EQs would be what's called for in this case.....though, of course that can, as you imply, be done in the MP11, anyway.
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#2412254 - Yesterday at 08:50 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: GA MP6]
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This does not directly answer your question, but I have used on occasion the 1/4 in audio output fed into my hi-fi system. I find the sound through my Paradigm loudspeakers to be actually quite nice, not the same palette as on my headphones, but nonetheless reasonably well rounded and balanced - actually very pleasant to listen to (at least to my ears).

I never did try the XLR outputs as of yet, so I cannot compare the two. Perhaps someone else will be able to chime in.

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#2412259 - Yesterday at 09:14 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: GA MP6]
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Originally Posted By GA MP6
I wonder if there are any known issues with the output circuitry. Sounds very different to me. I'd love to hear what you all think.


A lot of things impact how an instrument sounds once you get it recorded. One thing that you should be able to count on though is that the XLR's deliver the best quality signal the MP11 will deliver. There is a skill in recording, getting the levels correct among many other things.

What equipment are you using?

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#2412262 - Yesterday at 09:24 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: GA MP6]
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Originally Posted By GA MP6
Does anyone else notice the difference in tonality in the MP11 when using headphones vs XLR output to recording equipment? The headphones sound so full and lush while the direct output to a DAW is very mid intense and loses the balance. EQ is untouched and using the factory settings. I wonder if there are any known issues with the output circuitry. Sounds very different to me. I'd love to hear what you all think.


Question: Are you listening to the XLR>DAW recording using those same headphones? Or are you listening to this recording through studio monitors or other speakers?

- OneWatt

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#2412268 - Yesterday at 10:25 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: toddy]
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This is my suspicion as well. I can definitely shape the sound appropriately for my mix, but there is a distinct difference using the same headphones between different outputs. I just didn't expect it. Thanks.

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#2412270 - Yesterday at 10:30 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: GA MP6]
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As you work printing the hottest levels that you can while recording per your input meters, the piano's sound on playback will improve.

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#2412271 - Yesterday at 10:32 PM Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: OneWatt]
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Originally Posted By OneWatt
Question: Are you listening to the XLR>DAW recording using those same headphones? Or are you listening to this recording through studio monitors or other speakers?


Good point.

Listening through headphones connected to the MP11 should sound the same as listening to a recording from the XLRs into a DAW through the same headphones.

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#2412421 - 18 minutes 14 seconds ago Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By Kawai James
Originally Posted By OneWatt
Question: Are you listening to the XLR>DAW recording using those same headphones? Or are you listening to this recording through studio monitors or other speakers?


Good point.

Listening through headphones connected to the MP11 should sound the same as listening to a recording from the XLRs into a DAW through the same headphones.

Kind regards,
James
x


... and since they don't, this is why I asked the question. Nothing on the unit is touched. I use standard, factory, settings for each patch with no eq in the DAW. There is a significant change from headphone to audio out of XLR into DAW. I'm open to ideas. I would be curious if anyone else can duplicate the problem. If it's specific to my MP11, it needs to be address because its the primary keyboard in my studio.

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#2412430 - 20 seconds ago Re: MP11 Audio Differences [Re: GA MP6]
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I wonder what headphones it is model etc and what it is not connected directly to the piano but when recording. I doubt it would make that drastic a difference, but headphones impedance can very a bit in some cases over the frequency range and depending what they are connected to.

I don't know anything about the MP6 headphone out specs. Some headphones really benefit from a headphone amplifier and that will improve bass response in particular, so how easy they are to drive can be a factor. Some models I listened to like AKG open backs are quite sensitive to this, even though on paper their impedance it not awfully high, in the 60+ ohm range they do rather sound different with an without a headphone amp, yet some other makes of headphone the difference is negligible at best.

The really high impedance models can really suffer without significant drive ( input signal ) and lack roundness.

Try another set of headphones if you have them lying around and see if it happens to the same degree.
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