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#2416751 - Today at 10:51 AM Is your SSD actually better????
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Registered: 12/23/10
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I'm considering upgrading my computer to an SSD. Couldn't afford it when I bought the computer. It's a Mac mini. I do have a 7200rpm hard drive now. I have IvoryII Grand Piano's now.

Do you have experience in changing to a SSD and having better performance?

In looking into this. I ran across a youtube video. The guy said he uses a utility called Tech Tool 8. He said his 7200rpm hard drive was fragmented on his Mac. This straightened that out and his performance is much greater. He's getting more voices now. Sounds much better. He thought this was much more important. Didn't seem to be concerned on SSD versus regular drive????
Edit: I do have to admit. His IvoryII AmericanD sounded beautiful. Considering it.


Edited by rnaple (Today at 10:54 AM)
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#2416755 - Today at 11:07 AM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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Registered: 07/23/09
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How is that possible? A file is just a file, numbers. I can't see why a file on a ssd would be better than a file in a hard drive.


Edited by pold (Today at 11:08 AM)

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#2416756 - Today at 11:13 AM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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Yes - it won't make any difference to the sound quality, obviously. It might affect performance, though. Are you having problems with performance (drop outs, glitches, delays) otherwise, why change anything?
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#2416763 - Today at 11:25 AM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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The SSD read and write times are so much faster than spinning hard drives you will notice a difference in the performance of your Mac MINI immediately. The entire user interface will respond snappier, and applications will launch faster and respond faster. It's that big a difference. As far as your sampled piano instruments, it won't sound better, but it might perform better. SSD will load samples faster into ram if that's how your instrument does it and will also be quicker on streaming samples direct from disk if your instrument does it that way.

Talk to the guys at macsales.com (aka Other World Computing). They can recommend the right drive type for your model Mac and have kits so you can clone your old drive to your new one. Although, I always prefer installing the OS from scratch and then migrating other stuff over.

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#2416774 - Today at 11:55 AM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: toddy]
rnaple Offline

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Originally Posted By toddy
Yes - it won't make any difference to the sound quality, obviously. It might affect performance, though. Are you having problems with performance (drop outs, glitches, delays) otherwise, why change anything?


I did, in the past have an occasional glitch etc. I adjusted my Ivory. I'm running above that now. I do think, in my opinion. When I did this. The sound ended up better. Might just be phycological?
I just thought maybe I'd go ahead and get the SSD that I wanted in the first place.
I have to admit. Both stores I talked to locally kind of turned me off. One kept trying to tell me I had a problem with my computer. Other told me they couldn't clone the drive to a new one. I'd rather clone. Have some downloaded software. Like Reaper.

Also I'm getting a separate hard drive for backup. Spending money. Would like to spend on the AmericanD also.
I spent the money on that Utility I mentioned. I'm thinking I might be smartest to just use this to make sure everything is good. Defragment my drive. It will even warn me when a certain directory is getting close to running out of immediate close room. I'm liking what it's doing.

I know the prices on these drives will continue to come down. I have lots of room left on my drive. Does seem to be smartest to not upgrade to a SSD now? Like you said; if it's working why change?
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#2416775 - Today at 12:02 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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I have run Ivory both on my internal SSD as well as a SD chip and an external standard drive (USB 3.0).

I have not benchmarked anything, but I've not experienced latency issues or any real discernible difference among the three places where my Ivory library lives.

Right now I'm running it off a 128GB camera chip in the built-in chip slot because I don't feel like using up a significant amount of my primary drive space on my Macbook Air.

On the other hand, the SSD is an amazing speed increase in terms of general computing. My computer is on and running immediately. Restarts take mere seconds. But once Ivory is running, I don't notice a performance difference among the various places on which I've stored my Ivory library.
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#2416799 - Today at 01:13 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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What is slower with a rotating disk is read access time. If whatever data you need access to or software you are running, loads entirely into memory, then disk access is no longer an issue. The first thing to look at for performance in the area being discussed is whether you can install more memory and whether the OS and software can effectively use it.

As far as samples sounding better, I really can't see that, but as others have mentioned, if you are experiencing performance issues such as dropouts or various glitches or latency issues, then it will be worthwhile to at least look into your options. An SSD is not a cure-all because there are other factors to consider such as IO speed of the chipset (how fast and efficiently data is transferred from storage device to memory), width of that data path (i.e. maybe, depending on the age of the computer, just upgrading the entire computer might be necessary), and similar factors.

I am suggesting here not that you go out and buy another computer, but that these types of issues can have several aspects beyond the storage media itself.

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#2416809 - Today at 01:48 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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I have tested Ivory American in any kind of disk, 5400 HDD, 7200HDD, SD card, microSD, eMMC, USB2, USB3 (both with HDD and SSD attached), and various types of (Sata2 and 3) SSD. Well, Ivory performance depends on 2 things, CPU and disk speed. Less on RAM (as long as you have at least 2GB, better if 4). And on how many options and voices you enable. If you enable a lot of options and voices, even with a very good CPU and HDD or (micro)SD card, even a good one, you may have problems. The difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm is pretty small. On an SSD (both internal or via USB3, including and SSD-like pen drive) you can turn up the specs a lot (provided that your CPU can follow...) and you will have no dropouts or glitches.... But if you keep the specs down even a 5400 HDD will be ok... If you don't want to change your internal drive and have USB 3, the best is to you an SSD pen drive like this http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Extreme-Transfer-SDCZ80-064G-GAM46-Version/dp/B00KT7DOSE or even faster (that's what I use) http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Flash-Voyager-128GB-CMFVYGTX3-128GB/dp/B00LJWSHW6/
You will only be able to exploit all the bandwidth of USB3 with a recent pc (at least 3rd gen, from 2012 on)
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#2416822 - Today at 02:17 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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Dependence on amount of RAM will depend on how the application handles the data. If the app loads all of the data into memory (or as much as available memory allows), then amount of memory could be at issue. If the app streams it in smaller buffers, then probably not an issue. Other than the empirical evidence mention by the previous poster, only the people who wrote the software will know how they did it. However, if those who use the particular software say amount of memory isn't an issue, that is totally believable. smile

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#2416834 - Today at 02:55 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: TonyB]
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Originally Posted By TonyB
Dependence on amount of RAM will depend on how the application handles the data. If the app loads all of the data into memory (or as much as available memory allows), then amount of memory could be at issue. If the app streams it in smaller buffers, then probably not an issue. Other than the empirical evidence mention by the previous poster, only the people who wrote the software will know how they did it. However, if those who use the particular software say amount of memory isn't an issue, that is totally believable. smile

Tony



You can set a parameter to small, medium or large RAM usage, depending on how much memory you have available. According to my tests I suggest using small with 2GB, medium with 4, and large above that.
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#2416838 - Today at 03:06 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: Digitalguy]
TonyB Online   content
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Originally Posted By Digitalguy

You can set a parameter to small, medium or large RAM usage, depending on how much memory you have available. According to my tests I suggest using small with 2GB, medium with 4, and large above that.


That seem like a good way to do it - make the general buffer usage tweakable for best performance on a given system. When I write software that has large memory requirements, I will determine how much memory I can have, and then take it. However, in consumer environments, that can be problematic since availability can change quite a bit depending on what the user is trying to do.

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#2416842 - Today at 03:23 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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I use an SSD as the system drive, and an ordinary hard drive for backups of software and other such stuff.
The advantages, to me, are three:
1: zero acoustic noise (the non-SSD drive is off most of the time)
2: faster loading of scores, in the rare cases when the computer needs to be shut down rather than just sleep, and
3: no mechanical wear-out.

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#2416847 - Today at 03:39 PM Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: joflah]
TonyB Online   content
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Originally Posted By joflah
I use an SSD as the system drive, and an ordinary hard drive for backups of software and other such stuff.
The advantages, to me, are three:
1: zero acoustic noise (the non-SSD drive is off most of the time)
2: faster loading of scores, in the rare cases when the computer needs to be shut down rather than just sleep, and
3: no mechanical wear-out.



SSDs have a finite life. The media can only take so many writes. SSDs have many more blocks than are available to the user. These are used to replace blocks as they go bad and for wear leveling. There is a wear leveling algorithm that is used to insure that a given block is not hammered on, wearing it out faster than other blocks, so that blocks are swapped around, evening out the number of writes per block, making the whole thing last longer. The more spare blocks available, the longer the typical life of a given SSD device.

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#2416858 - 33 minutes 55 seconds ago Re: Is your SSD actually better???? [Re: rnaple]
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With a 7200 rpm hard disk, I had some troubles, drops out... And worse a noise during a second as if Ivory compete with other programs to get its sample (I think it does: the antivirus come to my mind).

I have recently installed a SSD for my Ivory samples (no system on it) some days ago and reinstalled the system (because of a faulty hard drive). There are still some drops out, as if the beginning of my samples were swapped in the hard drive or something like this. But the behaviour of my system is far better.

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