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#2424000 - Yesterday at 08:48 PM Convince me?
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 2156
Loc: Rocky Mountains
I was thinking of a new software for my piano.
I have IvoryII Grand Piano's.

In the thread on Best Steinway Software Piano. I have to admit. I was impressed with the reference to the Vienna Grand and the Production Grand. Only problem is cost. That and having to learn Kontakt.
I saw others come behind and still say that IvoryII American D is the best. I listen to examples. It's good.
I wonder if it's enough to spend the money?
To me, a substantial upgrade would be the Production Grand. I really like it.
So I'm sitting here on Memorial Day weekend. MF has it's 15% or 10% off sale. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to go for the IvoryII AmericanD. I just about like the IvoryII Uprights as much.
Then I listen to the Production Grand. Figure the others aren't worth it?
Still I don't actually own any of them. I only own the IvoryII Grand Piano's. Sometimes I think I should just use what I have. It ain't no slouch. Save the money. Maybe get the Production Grand later?

So those of you who have AmericanD and Grand's. Can you tell me more? Is it really that much better? I'm just not hearing it in recordings?
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Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

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#2424094 - Today at 03:00 AM Re: Convince me? [Re: rnaple]
slobajudge Offline
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Registered: 10/07/14
Posts: 21
Originally Posted By rnaple
I was thinking of a new software for my piano.
I have IvoryII Grand Piano's.

In the thread on Best Steinway Software Piano. I have to admit. I was impressed with the reference to the Vienna Grand and the Production Grand. Only problem is cost. That and having to learn Kontakt.
I saw others come behind and still say that IvoryII American D is the best. I listen to examples. It's good.
I wonder if it's enough to spend the money?
To me, a substantial upgrade would be the Production Grand. I really like it.
So I'm sitting here on Memorial Day weekend. MF has it's 15% or 10% off sale. I'm having a hard time convincing myself to go for the IvoryII AmericanD. I just about like the IvoryII Uprights as much.
Then I listen to the Production Grand. Figure the others aren't worth it?
Still I don't actually own any of them. I only own the IvoryII Grand Piano's. Sometimes I think I should just use what I have. It ain't no slouch. Save the money. Maybe get the Production Grand later?

So those of you who have AmericanD and Grand's. Can you tell me more? Is it really that much better? I'm just not hearing it in recordings?


If you already have Ivory II grands, and problem with the money to spent, then you dont need Ivory II ACD, if money is not a problem, then go for it. Ivory ACD is little different in sound, not much better then German D. Lots of people still prefer German D instead of American D. I like them both, but I am not sure that you will be satisfied for money you spent, because they share lots of similarities in engine. Personally, after Ivory II grands, I will pay for VSL Vienna. Unfortunately, there is no guaranties that you will think the same like me after ordering. If you think that Production voices grand will be satisfied you, then go for it, it is better to learn from personal activities smile



Edited by slobajudge (Today at 03:39 AM)

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#2424114 - Today at 04:31 AM Re: Convince me? [Re: rnaple]
dire tonic Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/17/11
Posts: 2066
Loc: uk south
I would be wary about splashing out. Do you definitely want another Steinway?

These days, I keep four pianos on my desktop from time to time switching between them occasionally, not too often, just to listen to the difference. In the comparison, FWIW (don't take my word for it!) I no longer enjoy Ivory ACD. I know there are many who like it but I'm not alone in thinking it fails to hit the spot so consider carefully.

Have you heard Philip Johnston playing the Garritan CFX in his YT recordings posted in this forum? He was using Ivory ACD before switching to the Garritan which he prefers. There is no partial or repedalling but it's not enough of a shortcoming to put me off. If you're still at the beginning stage, I don't think it would be a problem for you either.

...do you want another Steinway...?

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#2424185 - 30 minutes 54 seconds ago Re: Convince me? [Re: rnaple]
rnaple Offline

Silver Supporter until April 24 2014


Registered: 12/23/10
Posts: 2156
Loc: Rocky Mountains
Hummmm....lets see... what do I "Want?"

What I want is a piano that inspires me to play. I get into the little intricate nuances of play. Something that gives me all the feedback of pp to p, or p to mp, etc... very clearly and precisely.

I have a System of learning that focuses, from the ground up, on this. The little sophistications of the nervous system to learn to really play. It has little pieces to play that focus entirely on these little passages. I have always been 'turned on' by this. This System is to build the foundation to be able to play Classical well, someday.

I have the feedback on my learning System. I want it in my piano.

I have to admit. I spend too much time with Ivory thinking about it. I've heard better in both the Production and Vienna Grands. Maybe I should spend more time listening to that CFX? What I listened to, I have to admit, didn't impress me as much as the other two.

I don't want to waste my money on something that is just 'better'. I'm willing to spend money. But want something that is 'much better.'

Yes, I agree that I have spent too much time switching around on pianos. That is a sign to me that it just isn't good enough.

I can't say I necessarily want another Steinway. I like the sound of Steinway. I have to admit. At this point in my learning/experience... I really like the trueness, the candid honesty of the Yamaha samples.
_________________________
Ron
Your brain is a sponge. Keep it wet. Mary Gae George
The focus of your personal practice is discipline. Not numbers. Scott Sonnon

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#2424190 - 2 minutes 29 seconds ago Re: Convince me? [Re: rnaple]
dire tonic Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/17/11
Posts: 2066
Loc: uk south
Originally Posted By rnaple
Hummmm....lets see... what do I "Want?"

What I want is a piano that inspires me to play. I get into the little intricate nuances of play. Something that gives me all the feedback of pp to p, or p to mp, etc... very clearly and precisely.

I have a System of learning that focuses, from the ground up, on this. The little sophistications of the nervous system to learn to really play. It has little pieces to play that focus entirely on these little passages. I have always been 'turned on' by this. This System is to build the foundation to be able to play Classical well, someday.

I have the feedback on my learning System. I want it in my piano.

I have to admit. I spend too much time with Ivory thinking about it. I've heard better in both the Production and Vienna Grands. Maybe I should spend more time listening to that CFX? What I listened to, I have to admit, didn't impress me as much as the other two.

I don't want to waste my money on something that is just 'better'. I'm willing to spend money. But want something that is 'much better.'

Yes, I agree that I have spent too much time switching around on pianos. That is a sign to me that it just isn't good enough.

I can't say I necessarily want another Steinway. I like the sound of Steinway. I have to admit. At this point in my learning/experience... I really like the trueness, the candid honesty of the Yamaha samples.


I wasn't blown away by the various demos of the CFX I picked out here and there. Philip Johnston's recordings are excellent but part of that has to be attributed to his performance which makes the purely sonic judgement more difficult. That said, I think there's a clarity and uniformity which I don't hear in many other demos. It comes down, as always, to personal experience with the library. Don't let yourself read too much into demos.

Something "much better"; there will be days when you think you've bought something much better, and other days when the improvements strike you as rather more marginal.

Candid honesty; that's a fair judgement. As in all pianos there are shortcomings and quirks. I heard a modulation in one of the notes yesterday but I don't hear it today. What I get from the CFX more than any other library so far is a more accurate sense of balance behind the keyboard both in sound stage and harmonic balance. Also plenty of energy. Ivory ACD sounds weird, almost distant by comparison. Ravenscroft has a good sound stage and energy but the harmonics are strangely skewed.


Edited by dire tonic (1 minute 49 seconds ago)

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