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#2425384 - Yesterday at 08:14 AM Pentatonics, side slipping, planing, modal and so "fourth"
KlinkKlonk Offline
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Registered: 05/19/09
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(pun intended) so; is there a method to this madness? I feel quite confident with bebop and what it entails so I thought I'd give this some serious thought. But I find it arbitrary, and the transcriptions I've made doesn't really reveal anything significant in terms of how to apply any "rules".
It feels like a whole different mindset then playing bebop. Which I guess it is. I'm also a bit baffled by how simple some of it seems when it's finally on paper.
Have anyone else tried to incorporate some of this in their playing later in their "career"? Up until now I have always avoided it cause I believed all it would achieve would have something in common with a really really sad copy of McCoy…
Input appreciated, cheers!

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#2425745 - Yesterday at 07:29 PM Re: Pentatonics, side slipping, planing, modal and so "fourth" [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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Klonk, can you list 4 or 5 songs/tunes that you have in mind. I'll try playing around with just about anything and see what happens. Are you simply talking about McCoy Tyner's style. Amazing but I'm not familiar with his stuff. But do you have some specifics you can give.

BTW, I just listened to "Cantelope Island" by HHancock. Nice inventive blues. I think I'll try playing along with the recording (link below).

https://youtu.be/8B1oIXGX0Io


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#2425864 - Today at 04:03 AM Re: Pentatonics, side slipping, planing, modal and so "fourth" [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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KlinkKlonk,what would you like to know exactly.My students asked a similar question to McCoy when he conducted masterclass in my Academy (group of only 10 students) . His answer was: "I know the same theory like all of you .. EVERYTHING WAS SHOWN ME ON PIANO BY COLTRANE HIMSELF ".Since then, theoretical thinking has made some progress...

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#2425924 - 42 minutes 11 seconds ago Re: Pentatonics, side slipping, planing, modal and so "fourth" [Re: KlinkKlonk]
Mark Polishook Offline
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Registered: 11/29/12
Posts: 829
Loc: Leicester, UK
Klink, here's a blog post I wrote about playing outside the changes.

http://www.polishookstudio.com/2014/01/jazz-piano-going-outside.html

It doesn't really address your question in relation to MT. But it includes concrete examples from transcriptions and it does show ways of playing "outside" the chord changes.

Here's a transcription of McCoy Tyner playing Passion Dance. The solo is entirely over an Fsus chord so the transcription in essence shows how freely he plays over that chord. Find a few licks in it you particularly like and practice them in 12 keys. Some logic likely will emerge smile

Hope these resources help ...
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