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Hi Everyone, At YouTube there now is a slightly higher quality transfer of Ervin Nyiregyhazi's recording of March of the Three Holy Kings from Franz Liszt's Christus, as compared with the earlier YouTube upload. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4iGAQXOIj8 Neither is on a par with hearing it directly from a high quality turntable and with a good sound system.
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I can't decide whether it's the piece or the playing that I don't like - the amount that I could bear to listen to, that is.
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Hi BruceD, Part of the issue might have to do with it being a rearrangement of the music for piano, although one can sympathize with Nyiregyhazi's desire back in the 1970s to popularize the music of Liszt. Back then there probably were few classical music listeners who even knew there had been a Christus oratorio by Liszt. The section I like most in the recording begins here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4iGAQXOIj8#t=9m36s
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@Michael, Nice find! Thanks for posting this as I haven't ever come across a YouTube recording (until now) and it is a great example of the way in which Nyiregyhazi is able to transform a piece with his own very unique arrangement. I happen to own the original LP's from which this is taken and it has to be my favorite piece from this double disc Liszt album. It is quite obvious that Nyiregyhazi makes a lot of mistakes in the performance, especially towards the end where he throws in a couple of "scales" (not written by Liszt) and it is quite sloppy at best, although all can be forgiven due to his grand conception and vision for the piece. I have always wanted to see a transcription for this performance and am thinking of doing one although I may get some help from another transcriber I know as the score would have to be realized from the original Liszt score (which I have) to assist with the notation. Any other takers for a transcription? Question: Does anyone have a recording of the original " Christus" oratorio which contains the Holy Kings March?Please post here if you find one. Extra note: Decided to purchase a 3-CD set, here: http://www.amazon.com/Liszt-Christu...?ie=UTF8&refRID=0DNF2WYXKZG55KPN31T6Looks like the 5th piece on disc no. 1 is it: 5. Christus: No. 5 Die heiligen drei Konige - F. Liszt Should have the CD's next week.
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Hi Pv88, There is a transcription by Franz Liszt of this music for piano solo. I just checked at I.M.S.L.P., and unfortunately it doesn't seem to be there. Here is a link for the minutes/seconds to a recording of the orchestral version of Die heiligen drei Könige: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_KWFIl_XR4#t=52m39s
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Michael,
I just ordered the CD's in my above post for which you gave the YouTube link for, but thanks for that recording! Looks like the same conductor and orchestra as in my order.
Too late for me to cancel my amazon order (marketplace seller) although I look forward to getting the entire "Oratorio."
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As for the Liszt transcription I already own a copy of this piece which was obtained through a local university music library.
It is the Nyiregyhazi "arrangement" that I wish to notate using the current Liszt score to work from.
I might add that it appears that Nyiregyhazi's performance is mainly a reworking of the original Liszt score with a lot of chords that are filled in with lower bass octaves added and a few places where he just adds in a few notes of his own like those two runs towards the end of the piece.
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I happen to own the original LP's from which this is taken and it has to be my favorite piece from this double disc Liszt album. Hi Pv88, I have several copies back in the U.S. of that two LP Liszt album which were bought for $1 each - and multiple copies of all the other Nyiregyhazi albums as well! Fifteen years ago I was quite the Nyiregyhazi fanatic! One can look at his published piano compositions to get ideas on his notation of romantic piano techniques. The question though is why would one notate it rather than just sit down to play it that way and spontaneously incorporate some of his ideas?
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The question though is why would one notate it rather than just sit down to play it that way and spontaneously incorporate some of his ideas? I believe that notating the performance would be done for the same reasons all of the Horowitz "realizations" have been notated and that is to: 1) Make a "historical" document of the performance. 2) One can play/study the performance as notated. Or, you can do as suggested above, also.
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The question though is why would one notate it rather than just sit down to play it that way and spontaneously incorporate some of his ideas? I believe that notating the performance would be done for the same reasons all of the Horowitz "realizations" have been notated and that is to: 1) Make a "historical" document of the performance. 2) One can play/study the performance as notated. Or, you can do as suggested above, also. Hi Pv88, With the Horowitz realizations, many or most pianists would find it a bit demanding to sit down and play them without a score. With the Ervin Nyiregyhazi realization of this music from Christus by Liszt, there shouldn't be that issue.
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Michael,
Glad to see that IMSLP has the Liszt score and for the most part Nyiregyhazi (in his arrangement) has simply filled in the Liszt score with heavier chords and octave changes. He also adds those two runs near the end of the piece.
Have decided that attempting notation of Nyiregyhazi's performance is not worth the effort as there are inherent problems with the quality of the original recording itself:
1) There is the story that Nyiregyhazi insisted upon playing a rather battered up old grand (from a church?) instead of another Steinway offered by the recording engineers.
2) The runs near the end of the piece cannot be clearly made out as for the notes he played as it is a muddy mess from the over pedaling in the playing.
In this regard I will not be doing any notation.
Also, the original Liszt score is very good!
I could probably fake my way through the Liszt score by adding the altered heavy chords, lower octaves, and throw in a couple of sloppy runs to make things sound just like Nyiregyhazi.
Who wants to give it a go?
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Hi Pv88,
Maybe you could notate the Tchaikovsky song as played by Nyiregyhazi for the Tchaikovsky, Grieg, Bortkiewicz and Blanchet album [Columbia M-35125, 1979]?
I don't think any piano solo arrangement of that Tchaikovsky song has ever been published - though I could be wrong about this.
That song was the basis for one of Nyiregyhazi's most impressive and extraordinary recordings.
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Michael, I do know the disc you are referring to although since I don't own it I have found a similar recording of that piece, below: I believe that Nyiregyhazi performs the solo piano piece by Tchaikovsky which is titled "Romance," Op. 5: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Zzwtj61ogThe score is available, here: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/im...381-Ciaikovskij_-_05_-_Romance_f_alt.pdfNyiregyhazi plays this one while remaining fairly close to the original score and appears to add a few lower bass notes.
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Hi Pv88,
It isn't Op. 5, it is a Tchaikovsky song for voice and piano . . .
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Hi Pv88, I checked I.M.S.L.P. for it first, but none of the song pdfs I opened there were it. Here it is at YouTube - it has been 15 years since I listened to it, but I still remember the music! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gnQKHiCnTs
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Hi Pv88, Here is an even better tempo. This is getting very close to Nyiregyhazi's tempo for it on that album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCSpiyMh-UWhat a great song!
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