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#2436815 - Yesterday at 07:22 PM Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585
Grandman Offline
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Registered: 08/18/12
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So, this past weekend, I had an opportunity to try out the Roland LX-15e and Yamaha CLP 585. The problem is that after trying the first, by the time I got to the second dealer, I already could not remember the tone and touch of the first to make any accurate comparison. Moreover, the environment of the different dealers made it very difficult to determine what accounted for the differences in tone. My impression was that the Yami was much brighter than the Roland using the CFX grand. But that's about all I can recall. Too bad I can't find them side by side to compare. frown

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#2436825 - Yesterday at 08:08 PM Re: Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585 [Re: Grandman]
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Yes. And I think most of us have the same wish.
Originally Posted By Grandman
Too bad I can't find them side by side to compare.

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#2436891 - Today at 03:28 AM Re: Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585 [Re: Grandman]
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I've tried both at the same dealer for about 20 minutes each.

You are right in that the Yamaha is a lot brighter, however, I felt that it had a fairly good bass and lower mids in terms of depth of sound and 3D projection. The keys felt good in terms of the weight but the action was very tight on the particular unit I tried. However, I don't know if that's because it's just been opened and put on the floor or all of them are like that. If all of them were as tight as the one I tried, I would be a little bit concerned if your main goal is to play classical music, especially advanced repertoire. Finally, the Yamaha had much less of a timbral change from pp to ff than the Roland. I didn't find any problems with the keys bottoming out either.

For some reasons, I had gone into the store specially to try the LX-15e and the V-piano grand but I really really did not like the action of the LX-15e. It was extremely bouncy to me and the depth at which the notes sounded and how fast the key when down as I pressed it felt very unrealistic to me somehow. To give you an example, the depth and speed at which I could usually produce pp sounds by only gently barely tapping the strings with the hammer on an acoustic didn't work very well. So either the key didn't sound or instead of gradually going downwards in a smooth motion, it felt to me like it takes some initial pressure (more than usual) to get the key to move but after that it didn't go down smoothly but instead jerks downward and bounces back up. The plus side is that this piano doesn't have a bottoming out problem, it felt good when the key hit the bottom. Even the V-piano bottomed out much harder than the LX-15e.

In terms of sound I felt the bass to be a bit lacking with speakers. It does have excellent timbral change though and can be nice and mellow if played quietly. The sound does improve with quality headphones and sounds a bit more full with speakers with a better bass register. I only tried the piano sounds so I cannot comment on any other sounds included.

This is my own personal opinion only, I really wanted to like the LX-15e since it's a beautifully made instrument but I could not stand the action. In fact, trying a few different Rolands in the store I even liked the action of the F20 much better than the LX-15e.

I'm not sure what kind of music you play so my suggestion may be invalid depending on what sounds/functions you need but have you tried a V-piano or NU1/N1? These are good choices if action is one of your primary focuses.
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#2436897 - Today at 04:14 AM Re: Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585 [Re: Grandman]
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@Grandman,

I happen to own both the V-Piano & CLP-585 and can play them side by side.

V-Piano:

There is no doubt that the V-Piano has a superior and wider dynamic range as for playing "pp" to "ff" and the decay and pedal resonance is outstanding. I cannot say that I am particularly fond of the V-Piano's action as the keys bottom out too hard and it feels like a relatively short key stroke even though the keys respond very quickly and have good repetition as it appears to be a rather light action, overall. The preset sounds in the V-Piano are somewhat synthetic to my ears but will suffice if you happen to like the brighter tones as found in the "Silver" strings presets.

CLP-585:

The advantage of the CLP-585 is in the quality of the CFX and Bosendorfer samples which I prefer over the V-Piano's sounds and the nice weighted wooden action which feels reasonably realistic along with a very slight (almost nonexistent) escapement simulation. The CLP-585 cannot match the V-Piano as for the decay time and pedal sustain. Even so, the CLP-585 is more comfortable to play with a far softer and cushioned action and in this regard I like it better than the V-Piano since it is easier on the hands and wrists.

If you are comparing the CLP-585 to the Roland LX-15 then you will want to find out which piano feels the best as for the action and also determine the sounds you prefer. This can be a very subjective decision to make and it will be your choice in the end that matters most.

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#2436909 - Today at 06:29 AM Re: Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585 [Re: Michiyo-Fir]
Grandman Offline
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Registered: 08/18/12
Posts: 268
Loc: Usa
Originally Posted By Michiyo-Fir

I'm not sure what kind of music you play so my suggestion may be invalid depending on what sounds/functions you need but have you tried a V-piano or NU1/N1? These are good choices if action is one of your primary focuses.


Thank you for sharing your experience, Michiyo. I find it very helpful and greatly appreciate it. I did not consider the nu1 or n1 only because i've read they employ an upright action and i am looking for a grand action. Seeing that you have an n1, does it also come with the CFX sample?


Edited by Grandman (Today at 06:31 AM)

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#2436911 - Today at 06:37 AM Re: Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585 [Re: pv88]
Grandman Offline
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Registered: 08/18/12
Posts: 268
Loc: Usa
Originally Posted By pv88
@Grandman,

I happen to own both the V-Piano & CLP-585 and can play them side by side.

V-Piano:

There is no doubt that the V-Piano has a superior and wider dynamic range as for playing "pp" to "ff" and the decay and pedal resonance is outstanding. I cannot say that I am particularly fond of the V-Piano's action as the keys bottom out too hard and it feels like a relatively short key stroke even though the keys respond very quickly and have good repetition as it appears to be a rather light action, overall. The preset sounds in the V-Piano are somewhat synthetic to my ears but will suffice if you happen to like the brighter tones as found in the "Silver" strings presets.

CLP-585:

The advantage of the CLP-585 is in the quality of the CFX and Bosendorfer samples which I prefer over the V-Piano's sounds and the nice weighted wooden action which feels reasonably realistic along with a very slight (almost nonexistent) escapement simulation. The CLP-585 cannot match the V-Piano as for the decay time and pedal sustain. Even so, the CLP-585 is more comfortable to play with a far softer and cushioned action and in this regard I like it better than the V-Piano since it is easier on the hands and wrists.

If you are comparing the CLP-585 to the Roland LX-15 then you will want to find out which piano feels the best as for the action and also determine the sounds you prefer. This can be a very subjective decision to make and it will be your choice in the end that matters most.


Thank you pv88. Do you find your v piano's bass lacking when compared to the 585? Which sound system do you prefer?

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#2436985 - 5 minutes 48 seconds ago Re: Roland LX-15e and Yami CLP 585 [Re: Grandman]
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Registered: 04/01/15
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Originally Posted By Grandman

I did not consider the nu1 or n1 only because i've read they employ an upright action and i am looking for a grand action. Seeing that you have an n1, does it also come with the CFX sample?


The N1 is a grand action, the NU1 is an upright action. I would go so far as to say the action on the N1 was even better than the CA97 (and that is very high praise indeed). The sound wasnt quite as good though, I seem to remember it has some slightly older pre-CFX samples (CFIIIS ?), and is missing the Bosendorfer also. Its also a lot more expensive, and I have heard hybrids do require more maintenance.
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