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#2446921 - Yesterday at 06:34 PM Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote!
Ashton M. Offline
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Registered: 06/14/12
Posts: 4
https://youtu.be/nJH4UoB9z1c

Here's a video I created where one section is of a real piano recording, and everything else is virtual instrumentation. Can you guess where the real section is? Most of all - which piano sounds the best to your ears?

If you'd like to know which is what, PM me and if you promise to keep a tight lip I'll go ahead and reveal it to ya. Albeit, not until after you've stated which piano is the best to your ears.

Piano 1 vs. Piano 2 vs. Piano 3 vs. Piano 4 vs. Piano 5 vs. Piano 6 vs. Piano 7 vs. Piano 8

Let your ears be the judge. wink

Share your thoughts.

Ashton


Edited by Ashton M. (Yesterday at 06:36 PM)

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#2446968 - Yesterday at 08:29 PM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
MacMacMac Offline
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What are the voting criteria?

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#2447033 - Today at 12:41 AM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: MacMacMac]
Ashton M. Offline
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Originally Posted By MacMacMac
What are the voting criteria?

It doesn't need to be anything overly critical, just vote based upon what sounds best to your ears. Bonus points if you can state why you feel the way you do. cool

Ashton

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#2447060 - Today at 05:38 AM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
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Cash prizes? grin
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#2447064 - Today at 05:45 AM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By peterws
Cash prizes? grin


In such cases, they usually say "CEO's handshake" laugh
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#2447065 - Today at 05:51 AM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Kumi_27]
peterws Offline
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Ha ha!

Pianos 3 and 5 scored even top. 5 is the acoustic. (might not be)
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#2447076 - Today at 06:39 AM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
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3 (especially), 6 and 8 are good, though not partucularly characterful. This is using truly awful computer desktop speakers. Later, I'll try again on reasonable headphones.


Edited by toddy (Today at 06:39 AM)
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#2447163 - Today at 01:37 PM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
MossySF Offline
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My preference:

7
8
1
6
4
2
3
5
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#2447194 - Today at 03:00 PM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
Thomas B Offline
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Registered: 02/02/13
Posts: 75
Hi Ashton,

I really like the material. I will try to match the levels first before diving into the sound. For me, the acoustic piano stands out, because it sounds to me like it was compressed during recording (fingers crossed grin)

Thomas

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#2447214 - Today at 04:05 PM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
Kbeaumont Offline
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Registered: 03/26/10
Posts: 337
Loc: Virginia, USA
8,2,7,6,1,4,3,5

Some I felt were louder than others, which tends to sound better when compared directly.

The brighter pianos were the ones I preferred. Which made me think 5 might be the real piano. Its very difficult to get a clean mic sound out of a piano unless your using several mics and mixing them. Any of these could be eq'd to sound very different.
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#2447229 - Today at 05:03 PM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: peterws]
Ashton M. Offline
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Registered: 06/14/12
Posts: 4
Originally Posted By peterws
Ha ha!

Pianos 3 and 5 scored even top. 5 is the acoustic. (might not be)

Haha, thanks for chiming in. I'd PM you the results of this test, but it appears you do not accept them.

Originally Posted By toddy
3 (especially), 6 and 8 are good, though not partucularly characterful. This is using truly awful computer desktop speakers. Later, I'll try again on reasonable headphones.

I'd love to hear your thoughts when you're listening on a better system!

Originally Posted By MossySF
My preference:

7
8
1
6
4
2
3
5

Thanks for your ranking. Which do you think is the real piano recording?

Originally Posted By Thomas B
Hi Ashton,

I really like the material. I will try to match the levels first before diving into the sound. For me, the acoustic piano stands out, because it sounds to me like it was compressed during recording (fingers crossed grin)

Thomas

Thank you, I'm glad you like it. And which do you believe is the acoustic piano? wink I look forward to your response.

Originally Posted By Kbeaumont
8,2,7,6,1,4,3,5

Some I felt were louder than others, which tends to sound better when compared directly.

The brighter pianos were the ones I preferred. Which made me think 5 might be the real piano. Its very difficult to get a clean mic sound out of a piano unless your using several mics and mixing them. Any of these could be eq'd to sound very different.

Thanks for the ranking. You're correct - if I could do it all over again I'd more closely match the RMS levels between each VST. I'll do this if I create a future shootout. wink

You make a great point - mixing plays a vital role in piano recordings. There's an infinite number of possibilities. However, it's the fact that mixing can make products appear as something they are not, thus leaving many consumers feeling deceived. Hence, these unprocessed samples are deliberate.

Ashton


Edited by Ashton M. (Today at 05:05 PM)

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#2447235 - Today at 05:14 PM Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
wdco Offline
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Registered: 07/22/15
Posts: 19
It was little confusing about pianos might be switched during sections back and forth from acoustic to digital (I assume). I was more impressed by the music than the pianos as I agree with above... not too much character to any of these pianos. Nice as the music is, it's way too busy for a shootout and for any real assessment. This happens more often than not with the new product demos with whizz bang demos that dazzle and amaze and prevent any real assessment. These are my first impressions, I didn't re-listen... just noted as I went.

Piano 1 had a tubby tenor and bass and sounded very digital and unappealing through most of it.

Piano 2, I have no comments so I might've thought it was either a well trimmed digital or an acoustic, again the sound was polished but lacked appeal.

Piano 3, I thought might've been acoustic or digital and sounds nice

Piano 4 sounded more acoustic and nice

Piano 5 was digital and the filter or layering on lower velocities was not properly adjusted

Piano 6 was at a lower volume making comparison difficult

Piano 7 the last part was a digital piano with a little hash

Piano 8 was nice but somewhere in the beginning some unisons were out in the upper

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#2447281 - 40 minutes 6 seconds ago Re: Blind Piano VST Shootout: Cast your vote! [Re: Ashton M.]
toddy Online   content
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Registered: 09/30/11
Posts: 2256
Loc: Portugal
Something peculiar happening with Piano 5 - it changes according from a closed, filtered sound to a sharper open sound - could this just be velocity switching? It's like the sun coming in and out from behind the clouds.



On phones, the most pleasing is 7. There are fewer annoying artifacts, but overall effect, noise other than pure notes included is agreeable, and convincing. Odd sound in lower velocity low-mids.

Also, I like 8 - some colour and is refined, but not artificial sounding.
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