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#2447483 - Today at 12:22 PM High end piano suggestions
elendil Offline
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Registered: 05/27/09
Posts: 73
Loc: Denmark

Yes, it's another one of those threads, sorry.

I've been waiting for the Yamaha N3 to be updated for some years, but I've finally realized that it won't be, until about a month after I've purchased something else.

I was looking at the N3 because of the action and the sound system (the physical part, not the samples): I want the best possible action and I don't care much for head phones. I wasn't willing to shell out 18500 USD for such outdated samples, however.

I'm primarily looking at Yamaha, because I think highly of their build and software quality (robustness and usability, I guess). Such things are important to me, and perhaps more important than cutting-edge sound systems.

Anyway, I've got money to replace my CLP-340 with, and I'm going to visit one of the big shops in a couple of weeks to decide whether there's anything good enough out there, so I'd appreciate a little head's up if there's anything in particular I should look out for.
I've read what I can about the CLP-585, which is generally positive. The same goes for the N2, but I'm a bit... unwilling to spend that amount of cash on (such) an outdated sample set (I'm not into the whole PC software piano thing).

I just now read that Roland has put out new pianos, and I'll be sure to read the forum to see when anyone (more or less impartial) get their hands on them. They sure look good, but I'm generally not a Roland guy. I don't think I can explain why, to be honest, except to say that they feel more keyboard than piano like to me as a whole. I know that's very unscientific (and probably somewhat wrong as well).

So, what do I look at? I don't understand the Yamaha release schedules, but is there anything upcoming? Reason to think the N3 is updated soon? New CLP series?

EDIT: I haven't mentioned Kawai, because they don't really exist here in the Danish market.

Edited by elendil (Today at 12:23 PM)

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#2447490 - Today at 12:30 PM Re: High end piano suggestions [Re: elendil]
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Here you can see the history of the CLP and other Yamaha models: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clavinova

As you can see, they are pretty much on a three year cycle, like Kawai and others. Last refresh was 2014, so expect the next refresh in 2017.

Kawai did the CN series in 2014, the CA series in 2015 and will probably refresh the CS series (e.g. CS10 level, just with a CA97 in the real piano cabinet in black polished) next year.
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#2447515 - 57 minutes 30 seconds ago Re: High end piano suggestions [Re: elendil]
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I wouldn't say that Yamaha is really cutting-edge. They are stable and safe, but pretty slow to advance technologically. Definitely the new Rolands are worth checking out. I'm very curious as to how they've improved their action. I haven't played any of the new Roland actions, so I can't comment unfortunately, but I do believe that they are competitive and worth trying.

If there's any way you can try a Kawai (VPC1, CA or MP11) near you, I think you'd really like the action.
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#2447524 - 40 minutes 52 seconds ago Re: High end piano suggestions [Re: elendil]
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Registered: 09/24/09
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Loc: North Carolina
Morodiene is right. Yamaha moves slowly. Very slowly.

Even their three- to four-year cycle on the CLP and CVP models doesn't change the pianos very much. Mostly new shiny exteriors with the same innards.

Note: The Avant Grand series seems to change even less frequently. Has there ever been even one upgrade/replacement for the N1, N2, or N3? I don't think so. That's likely because the market is small. Very small. So, combine the low demand for change with Yamaha's normal slowness ... and I'd not expect an N3 replacement for a long time.

#2447543 - 2 minutes 20 seconds ago Re: High end piano suggestions [Re: elendil]
elendil Offline
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Registered: 05/27/09
Posts: 73
Loc: Denmark
Thanks for the answers, everyone.


Thanks for that. I guess that means I shouldn't wait for a new CLP, at least.

@Morodiene, MacMacMac

I think I may have worded myself clumsily. What I meant to say was that I know Yamaha isn't cutting-edge. The opposite, perhaps. I was trying to say that a general feeling of quality wins over (lack of) cutting-edge technology. Sometimes, at least. For me. I was under the impression from reading the forum that the CLP-585 had a good action and decent sound system, but I haven't tried it myself yet. I notice Dewster has given it a look and found that it's still looped, though.

Sadly, Kawai is not well represented here. I think I found an acoustic dealer at some point that also had a few (not high end) Kawai digitals, but that's about it. There's no problem in purchasing them, but trying them first is difficult. I only have that kind of faith in Yamaha (as strange as it may be).


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