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Hi all,

I am really confused and need help from anyone who owns a CLP585 and can tell me how it sounds recorded through the internal wav recorder - which technically should be the best way to capture the sound of the piano, although obviously recording in 24bit may make a difference. I am thinking of buying a CLP585 as it sounds very nice from what I have heard, and I do realise that listening to a recording of the piano and hearing it live through its speaker system is completely different. However what I cant work out is if the CLP585 shares the same sample as the CLP575 as I have been told numerous times. So would there be any point in paying the extra money for the CLP585 if it shares the same sample as the cheaper 575, I do realise there is counterweights and a upgraded speaker system on the 585 though.

Below are two links which are recorded using the exact same method but are nothing like one another, I now believe Yamaha does not make their pianos all the same quality which is disturbing. There is no reason for the clear difference in quality, one sample is clearly superior and different to the other (see below). Both videos the user has recorded their playing using the wav recorder built in, and yes both pianos are the same - CLP585, although you would 100% not have thought this by listening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FHv4uoS_Kk (this sounds like the CLP575 not 585)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt1wOXCDwmk (sound is thicker and richer clearly, more bass and fuller sounding)

This proves to me Yamaha does not make all models of the same number the same. Quality control needs changing, this is very bad. I am completely put off buying one now, which is a shame.

Anyone else have recordings of their CLP585 to share?

It looks like Yamaha are building some CLP585's with the same sample as the CLP575 and others that are not.

Hopefully you can see what I am getting at in terms of the quality.

Thanks for taking the time to read

Mark

It's a very large and unreasonable jump to conclude that the piano's are producing different sounds because of two youtube videos. The player playing the piano, the settings on the piano, importing and saving the sound with a video and uploading the song to youtube will all effect the sound you're hearing.

If you had the same player with the same exact process of recording/saving/uploading the video playing on any two CLP585s... I find it extremely unlikely there would be any variation in the sound.

Hello Mark,



I assumed from your post in the 'Prices Paid' thread that you had already purchased one...



Yes, I believe it's safe to assume that the higher price is indeed due to the counterweights and upgraded speaker system. I recall there are also a few additional piano sounds, such as Upright Piano and Ballad Piano.



A few possible explanations that come to mind:

- different pieces of music, dynamics, and playing styles in the respective recordings
- different piano sounds and settings (reverb depth, resonance etc.) used on the respective recordings

Unlike the first video, the second video does not appear to state that the internal WAV recorder has been used, but perhaps you can contact the chap directly to confirm this?



pv88 owns a CLP-585 and has provided a number of recordings.



I find that rather unlikely.

Kind regards,
James
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I agree.

Have you considered that the sound might have been modified -- e.g., by adding some EQ and/or reverb -- between recording the original sound, and posting on YouTube ?

That's completely legitimate, and makes it _very_ difficult to compare DP's based on YouTube recordings.

Also, if the overall sound levels are different -- even slightly -- the louder piano will often sound "better" than the softer one.

@mwf,

As previously stated above I would not rely upon any of these YouTube videos as for comparing the true "sound" projected by the CLP-585 as the quality of the sound you perceive may vary considerably from one recording to another.

Here are three (3) recordings and all of them were done with a single stereo audio cable from the headphone jack of the piano that is directly connected to the "audio in" on the computer and the playing was recorded into the free software program "Audacity" with the default settings:

https://app.box.com/s/vwmwyfgdf17ap4aeih9fi289hv5hgxod

https://app.box.com/s/85w0sme9pddio6r2l4d5op9gdkzzd7xv

https://app.box.com/s/1zbb6d9n5ka9rqjnh8jr5dyemalkgjri

I agree with the other posters. You just can't form conclusions from these two very different videos. YouTube's compression messes with stuff quite badly sometimes.

Also I think there might be reason to suppose that the second video might be of a different piano voice. Video 1 sounds very like Yamaha's CFX sample. Number 2 could be the Bosendorfer.

Listen to pv's recordings for a better guide.

I can't believe that Yamaha CLP-585s are at all variable in their onboard tone generation or recording characteristics. Slight variations in loudspeakers or cabinet resonances maybe, but different sound engine/recorder performance? No way.

I found variations in my own piano when recording using different settings and methods. Al DPs give decent recordings on wav files, onboard. And You tube vids used for promotion make even the cheapest sound brilliant.
I wonder sometimes what the difference really is when you play them in the shop. Theres not many sound much good out of the box. . .

This. Nice performance and the Bosendorfer sound, wow, astonishing. I just I cannot believe it comes from Yamaha digital. They did not put this sound in CP or P-series, didn't they?

It is nice, I really want to listen to a clp575 recording of the same piano though, to compare them, that's if they are in fact different. Can anyone post recordings of their clp575?