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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi

Only piano accompanists--amateur, professional, or otherwise--are so musically bullied and imposed on.

Pianists never get to say to a singer, "Hey, I'm ready to play 'Se Vuol Ballare'--how about sight reading it?!"


So true!!


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.

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Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.

I always sight-read through a piece once through first before deciding whether it's worth learning wink .

As an amateur, I only learn pieces that are enjoyable to play as well as musically interesting: I prefer just to sight-read through stuff that may be musically great but which I don't find enjoyable to actually play (I name no names grin), but once I decide I'm going to learn a piece properly, my mindset changes, and I don't sight-read casually through it anymore.

Life is too short (at my time in life) to learn stuff that I don't enjoy playing, no matter how 'great' the music may be - and there's a lot of this kind of 'great music' that I prefer to listen to rather than play myself. I leave them to the professionals to learn and perform them properly.......... thumb


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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.


So true. I do sometimes continue to "sight-read" works I've decided I'll want to learn, and what a mistake that is. It means I end up learning quickly my favorite parts, keep skimming through the rest, and never again feel like I can approach the whole piece freshly and work at it well from the beginning. It's an awful habit, or some kind of perverse desire for immediate gratification that is terribly ungratifying.


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Originally Posted by prout
Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.
Then what do you call the first time you play the notes?

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I've spent the past year really working on sightreading. It's been helpful in a lot of ways. I learn pieces much quicker. My playing is becoming more intuitive now, in that it now goes from eye to finger without that pesky brain getting in the way and slowing things down.


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Originally Posted by SiFi
ha Actually, one thing I discovered when doing an improvisation class with Alfred Neumann at the Guildhall in London was that it's actually quite difficult to improvise completely atonal music at random and make it sound authentic because you occasionally hit a consonance or some kind of tonal sonority that would never happen in Boulez or Webern or whatever.

Here's the great French pianist Gérard Depardieu wink improvising Boulez ("C'est ne pas Mozart"): http://youtu.be/T0vyMuAkOYQ (starting at 1:30).

Followed by some sentimental Hans Zimmer, which good ol' Pierre would certainly turn up his noble nose at........ grin


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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.
Then what do you call the first time you play the notes?


"Note aquisition"

"Sight learning"

"Psychokinesis"

Or, most importantly,

"PRACTICE!"

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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.
Then what do you call the first time you play the notes?


"Note aquisition"

"Sight learning"

"Psychokinesis"

Or, most importantly,

"PRACTICE!"

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I think most pianists use sight reading to mean the first time they play the notes. "Sight learning" is a phrase I have never seen anywhere.

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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.
Then what do you call the first time you play the notes?


"Note aquisition"

"Sight learning"

"Psychokinesis"

Or, most importantly,

"PRACTICE!"

prout
I think most pianists use sight reading to mean the first time they play the notes. "Sight learning" is a phrase I have never seen anywhere.


Except for "practice", I have never seen any of the other phrases used to discuss the process of learning of piece of music anywhere either. laugh

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
[...]I think most pianists use sight reading to mean the first time they play the notes. "Sight learning" is a phrase I have never seen anywhere.


Perhaps "sight-learning" means studying - and learning - the score aware from the piano. There are some who profess to do that on a regular basis, learning more each time they do it.

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Thanks for your input smile.

I'm definitely going to discuss this with my teacher on Friday, our first lesson after the summer break (I'm excited).

Hopefully, we will be able to do two 60 minute lessons per week and then devote like every fourth lesson for sight reading, i.e. one lesson every two weeks would be for sight reading. Of course, we could adjust this later on.

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Originally Posted by Evaldas
Hopefully, we will be able to do two 60 minute lessons per week and then devote like every fourth lesson for sight reading, i.e. one lesson every two weeks would be for sight reading. Of course, we could adjust this later on.
Once you understand what and how you should practice sight reading I think it will be done close to 100% by yourself. The only exception might be if you want to play duets and have no one besides your teacher to play them with.

Also, unless you have time to practice a LOT I think two lessons/week is a waste of money and highly unusual.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus

Also, unless you have time to practice a LOT I think two lessons/week is a waste of money and highly unusual.


I do have the time to practice a lot, because I don't work full time, however I am lazy :-(. If I spent all the spare time I do nothing, practicing...
Last year we were doing 1 lesson a week because it's all the teacher had the time for as I started in the middle of the year, this time I'm starting from the beginning so she may be able to plan two weekly lessons for me. 2 weekly lessons here is kind of the norm...
Also hopefully two weekly lessons will help conquer the laziness as I don't like coming unprepared for lessons.
I have taken two weekly lessons with a previous teacher and it was fine. Of course I know the progress will not be twice as fast as opposed to taking one weekly lesson...

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Originally Posted by WhoDwaldi
Fine. Wonderful. Sight-read-unseen-ever-before-for-the-first-performance to your heart's and paycheck's content.

At some point, however, there is a conundrum. You've read through the thing enough to need to actually practice it, because it starts to get worse and worse as you get used to it. eek


I totally agree.

I never sight read a piece I am going to learn.
Then what do you call the first time you play the notes?


"Note aquisition"

"Sight learning"

"Psychokinesis"

Or, most importantly,

"PRACTICE!"

prout
I think most pianists use sight reading to mean the first time they play the notes. "Sight learning" is a phrase I have never seen anywhere.


Except for "practice", I have never seen any of the other phrases used to discuss the process of learning of piece of music anywhere either. laugh


Probably not, but the next time someone asks me what I'm doing at the piano, I'm definitely going to tell him, "Psychokinesis!"


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I think that sightreading is a very useful skill to develop, even if you don't plan on being an accompanist. If you increase your sightreading ability, you should be able to learn new music much more quickly. I think that the best way to improve sightreading is simply by doing it. Sightread new music on a regular basis, and make sure that you practice a wide variety of repertoire.

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