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Digitals emulate grands, not uprights.
This touch weight is measured without damper weight, so first you lift all dampers using the pedal, then you check the key weight. The AP action will get lighter (to about 50 g), but your DP action won't, it doesn't have separate damper weights.
Also in upright pianos the hammers and dampers are upright, so their full weight doesn't lie on the keys.
Yamaha grands seem to be on the heavy side and that is what they model their digitals after. So I assume from your comment that in general (despite the differences among brands etc) grands tend to have heavier actions than uprights?
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Comparing a new upright with a new grand from the same vendor, I would not say that grands have heavier action. They have a more precise action, that's for sure.
Yes, inside the action is very different and that's partly why the action of a grand is more precise, but it is not necessarily heavier. The "full weight of the keys" is mitigated by point of balance / pivot and other things.
And when you talk not-new uprights or grands, well, all bets are off anyway. Two days ago I played on a 60+ year old upright where the action more resembled a old school typewriter or an IBM 101 classic keyboard than a piano :-)
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I ALWAYS warm up my fingers at least for 45 minutes. - First thing in this process is closing the hands to fists about 80-100 times (fast!) - 2: opening the fists to hands, same amount - 3: stretching the lower/underarm into both directions, stretching every single finger (know this from climbing) - 4: Bebop scales in every key - 5: patterns in a different key than yesterday  This is MISERABLY TIMECONSUMING, but now it´s time for some new things to explore... My MP11 is bottoming out in a soft way, helps too! P.
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I ALWAYS warm up my fingers at least for 45 minutes. - First thing in this process is closing the hands to fists about 80-100 times (fast!) - 2: opening the fists to hands, same amount - 3: stretching the lower/underarm into both directions, stretching every single finger (know this from climbing) - 4: Bebop scales in every key - 5: patterns in a different key than yesterday This is MISERABLY TIMECONSUMING, but now it´s time for some new things to explore... My MP11 is bottoming out in a soft way, helps too! P. 45 min warmup - boy you have a lot of time on your hands, don't you?! Physical preparation can be done a lot faster than that. It all starts with good technique though. If people don't know what that means they should make it their business to seek a good teacher and also some additional education about their body - maybe Alexander technique. Pain and discomfort in music is not something to treat lightly. If you don't work it out, it can ruin music for you.
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I ALWAYS warm up my fingers at least for 45 minutes. I spent the last 55 years warming up my fingers. Now I just sit down and play.
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Ok, I combine warmup with technique. When I play, I do it for several hours.
When I ride my bike, there´s no warmup necessary because I get warm by riding.
When I climb - it´s super important. I cannot imagine a ballerina spending little time
with the warmup. Just my 2 euro cents.
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