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#2456411 - Yesterday at 04:10 PM Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz
rychubil Online   content
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Registered: 06/27/12
Posts: 9
Loc: Aberdeen, United Kingdom
Hello
I am going to buy VST piano like Synthogy Ivory II or Vienna Imperial. I am not sure yet, which one I will choose. I am going to play and record my ideas, and compositions. They'll be based on classical music and classical harmony, usually kept in a calm tone. Very important for my music will be wide range of articulation and dynamic as well. I have two questions.
1. Is it possible on Synthogy Ivory II and Vienna Imperial, to set tuning precisely at A = 432 Hz?
2. What is your opinion about two VSTs? What are differences?
Thank you

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#2456418 - Yesterday at 04:29 PM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
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1/ Yes, there is a tuning function on Ivory : "The four up-down arrows above the Tuning switch control the basic pitch of Ivory’s piano. A4 pitch sets the pitch of the A above middle C. This value defaults to 440.0 Hz, but some recording or performance situations require a different reference pitch. The range is 420.0 to 460.0 Hz." (read in the 1.5 manual, but it should apply to Ivory II). For VSL, see https://vsl.co.at/en/Keyboards_Complete/Vienna_Imperial#!Gui at the bottom left of the picture, here is the pitch setting.


Edited by Frédéric L (Yesterday at 04:38 PM)
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#2456431 - Yesterday at 05:34 PM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
rychubil Online   content
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Registered: 06/27/12
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Loc: Aberdeen, United Kingdom
I know that both of the VSTs have tuning control. My question was about A = 432Hz strictly. Do you know as a user with experience?
I have Nord piano 2. There is 431.9Hz or 432.2Hz, No 432Hz - impossible for tuning.
BTW - I can't find manual operation for both.

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#2456439 - Yesterday at 06:30 PM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
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I have experimented with Ivory (first version) and 432Hz once. It sounded awful! The samples are originally recorded in 440Hz and playing them in other tuning than that is detrimental to the quality. I'd go for Pianoteq although its sound characteristics are questionable by many.
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#2456442 - Yesterday at 06:38 PM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
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Registered: 09/19/12
Posts: 608
Loc: Tempe, Arizona
Originally Posted By rychubil
Hello
I am going to buy VST piano like Synthogy Ivory II or Vienna Imperial. I am not sure yet, which one I will choose. I am going to play and record my ideas, and compositions. They'll be based on classical music and classical harmony, usually kept in a calm tone. Very important for my music will be wide range of articulation and dynamic as well. I have two questions.
1. Is it possible on Synthogy Ivory II and Vienna Imperial, to set tuning precisely at A = 432 Hz?
2. What is your opinion about two VSTs? What are differences?
Thank you


I have Ivory II and was easily able to set the tuning to 432. But I think Cybergene has a point. It was sampled at A440, not at 432, so some software adjustment is utilized to change the pitch and the further you get from A440, the less likely it is to be satisfactory.

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#2456443 - Yesterday at 06:40 PM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
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Registered: 09/19/12
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Loc: Tempe, Arizona
I haven't tried Vienna Imperial but I still think Ivory II is pretty awesome and I don't think that about any other VST that I own.
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#2456463 - Yesterday at 07:49 PM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
Alexander Borro Offline
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Registered: 06/18/14
Posts: 417
Loc: UK
I own Ivory 2 American D and can also confirm you can set the tuning to one decimal place, so 432.0 Hz is possible, however I found the result to not sound so great overall, not immediately very obvious when you load a fast passage midi I just tried, but press some individual keys and hold them down for a time and listen more carefully, you do really notice it the more away you go from the naturally recorded tuning the worse it gets, however the timbre shift option helped a little I thought, however, then the problem crops up elsewhere on a different notes, but overall a few notches on the timbre shift setting I thought helped it a little bit.

You can try both of these instruments on www.try-sound.com. the latency is poor, but still you can get fair idea and play around with the GUI to see what you can do and play a midi sample. It certainly helped me that service to help me decide.

btw I think VSL imperial sounds awesome but it is much more costly than a single ivory piano like American D, and IIRC, no half pedalling either in VSL if that matters to you.


Edited by Alexander Borro (Yesterday at 07:58 PM)
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#2456518 - Today at 01:55 AM Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
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Registered: 04/04/07
Posts: 832
Loc: Sofia, Bulgaria
I found my experiments and recordings. It was part of a debate 440 vs 432 in another Internet forum.

http://debian.fmi.uni-sofia.bg/~kumanov/my_music/a4_frequency_test/

First two are recorded with Ivory 1 and the other two with Pianoteq 4 trial so some notes are missing. Same MIDI file was used for all.


Edited by CyberGene (Today at 02:06 AM)
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#2456548 - 35 minutes 15 seconds ago Re: Ivory II or Vienna Imperial on 432 Hz [Re: rychubil]
rychubil Online   content
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Registered: 06/27/12
Posts: 9
Loc: Aberdeen, United Kingdom
Yes, I am aware that all VSTs were sampled on 440Hz.
Someone have more experience with Vienna Imperial?
I have other question which can be sounds strange but I am not advanced pianist.
How about using half pedaling? How is useful and when?

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