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I paid 4500US$ for the ebony. And I paid 4200US$ in January of this year. Like you, I wish I had known, but I'm happy with my HP508, so I'm sticking with it.
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That's very impressive! If I listen carefully I can detect some typicality of the modeling that I can't describe well, maybe a slight tin like quality in the sound. Nevertheless it is the best sound I've heard so far from a modeled piano and it easily matches or even eclipses many sample libraries. Not knowing it is modeled I wouldn't have noticed, I must admit. Kudos to Roland for this achievement! I have a question to Jay. Is the upright sampled or completely modeled? It sounds lovely and it would easily become my favorite patch if it is modeled, since that would mean also very playable. I am very intrigued by these new pianos and I am currently considering a switch to Roland but I'll have to try one for sure before spending the money BTW the organ sample is crap. Not sure why it has been included at all. I am a very keen fan of organ music and listen a lot to real pipe organs as well as to recordings of those and I believe the included sample is just a bad joke.
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The string voicing is even worse than the organ. The same is true on my LX 15.
I am not sure why Roland bothers including strings on digital pianos meant for pianists. It is not worth having except for a bit of amusement.
I am interested in checking out the improvements provided by the LX 17. No rush - I expect Showcase pianos will carry it in my area. I will take my high end headphones when I visit.
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Is the only difference between the LX7 and the LX17 that the speaker system is more powerful? Any difference in features or interface?
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That's very impressive! If I listen carefully I can detect some typicality of the modeling that I can't describe well, maybe a slight tin like quality in the sound. Nevertheless it is the best sound I've heard so far from a modeled piano and it easily matches or even eclipses many sample libraries. Not knowing it is modeled I wouldn't have noticed, I must admit. Kudos to Roland for this achievement! I have a question to Jay. Is the upright sampled or completely modeled? It sounds lovely and it would easily become my favorite patch if it is modeled, since that would mean also very playable. I am very intrigued by these new pianos and I am currently considering a switch to Roland but I'll have to try one for sure before spending the money I will have to double check the Uprights at the Dealer Launch next week when i go. i will confirm of course when I know. Jay
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Is the only difference between the LX7 and the LX17 that the speaker system is more powerful? Any difference in features or interface? From what I can tell, the LX17 has an 8 speaker system versus the LX7's 6 and you can open the lid on the LX17 (which makes a big difference to sound quality on the LX15) but not on the other premium upright pianos.
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I am interested in checking out the improvements provided by the LX 17. No rush - I expect Showcase pianos will carry it in my area. I will take my high end headphones when I visit. If you're speaking of Showcase Pianos in Vancouver, BC, then I'm afraid that you will not be able to see an LX-17 there. A change of dealers was made in the Vancouver area and most likely the closest stocking retailer will be one of the Tom Lee Music locations...I would expect that the flagship 929 Granville Street Store would be first to receive an LX-17. Conversely, If you would like an invite to the VIP Evening reception for the new pianos, please PM me your contact information, and I can make that happen for you. It's taking place at a downtown hotel. Jay
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Could you tell me what dealer(s) have, will have or can get this thing in either Yorkton or Regina? I've sent a few emails and made a few phone calls and the only reply that I've received was from one dealer who said that it was unavailable to them. Not a peep from anyone else at all.
The apparent lack of interest in my inquiry by the dealers I've contacted surprises me a bit, frankly.
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I'll need to check with our rep for the area Frank.
Bear with me.
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FrankCox,
Sent you a PM.
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Sadly one can never get such good pricing in the US. Roland keeps a very tight leash on retailors and they're not allowed to publish prices via brochures or internet. The prices are significantly artificially inflated here and one has no recourse. When I was researching the hp508 I found many internet sites in England at renown dealers where the pricing with the US$ conversion was markedly less than what dealers here were selling for. Incredibly differences. Of course the dealers here stated nothing they could do. So in effect you get ripped off in price and now for me spend close to 5K for an instrument that is essentially obsolete just a few months after purchase. I know if I go to the dealer and ask to trade up they'll give me some low-ball price for my pristine ebony HP 508 in trade.
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This practice is true of all manufacturers, perhaps excluding Casio. Checking out the "Prices Paid" thread can give you a better perspective as to the real prices these instruments are selling for. In a nutshell, an MSRP between $8,000 to $9,000 means the instrument is not worth more than $4,000 to $5,000; however, the dealer will rip off the less informed, and sadly, some will end up paying way too much.
I love how some dealers act offended when you let them know that "you know." Play the game well, and eventually they will give in. Keep in mind that they are usually desperate; since they're not selling that many pianos to begin with.
Casio seems to be a bit different regarding their new Celviano. Considering what you're getting for the buck, the MSRP on these ($4,000 to $6,000 respectively) seems more realistic and less inflated, so I don't believe you'll get a substantial "discount" on these, but still, there's room for negotiation with the dealer; to what extent? I suppose we'll have to wait for some initial buyers to post how much they paid in order to have a better perspective.
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Hi Jay, I am hesitating between buying the 508 today or waiting for the 605. I live in Europe and you can find the 508 almost 20% cheaper than the 605. Can you summarize what in your view makes the 605 a better choice? (Key action, sound, modeling vs 508...).
I look for a digital piano with great key action and sound that would be an instrument for the family. I have 2 young kids and I want to start learning the piano.
Thanks, GSeb
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Hey GSeb,
I really can't make that decision for you.
You get to decide if the deal on the 508 is good enough. It remains a fantastic piano and didn't suddenly become WORSE because the new series came out.
You said: "I look for a digital piano with great key action and sound that would be an instrument for the family. I have 2 young kids and I want to start learning the piano."
The Hp508 is that in spades. The 605 would also be that as well. The new action and sound engine are (in my opinion) the finest to make their way to any home digital piano to date. But again, if the deal on the 508 is good enough, thats a VERY compelling argument for enjoying that for years to come.
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I would NEVER (I repeat: NEVER) buy a brand new electronic equipment (or digital piano, camera, etc.) that has just been superseded by a newer and better model. I know for a fact that there are people doing exactly the opposite and they feel happy to get the older model discounted. Buying stuff second hand, years after it has been discontinued, is different since you will get it for a bargain price. But I couldn't live with the thought I spent almost the same money as the latest and improved model but got the older one instead, that would be unbearable. Even speaking about that makes me feel uncomfortable already
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Thanks Jay,
On the key action itself (without considering the sound), is the PHA50 really feeling different than PHA4? I was wondering if the wood addition was more cosmetic than mechanic. As for the sound, I tried the 508 which I found quite good... Now, can you tell us how you would describe the evolution from this to the new 605 modeling. Does it make sounds noticeably better?...
Bottom line, is the improvement significant enough, in your opinion, to try the 605 before making a decision?
Thanks, GSeb
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I would NEVER (I repeat: NEVER) buy a brand new electronic equipment (or digital piano, camera, etc.) that has just been superseded by a newer and better model.......I couldn't live with the thought I spent almost the same money as the latest and improved model but got the older one instead, that would be unbearable. Even speaking about that makes me feel uncomfortable already Well there's nothing like stating your case clearly I would go for the older model at a discounted price - especially if we're talking about something of the quality of the HP508. It takes all sorts to make a world........also the older model sometimes has advantages or you might personally prefer it for some reason.
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I would NEVER (I repeat: NEVER) buy a brand new electronic equipment (or digital piano, camera, etc.) that has just been superseded by a newer and better model. I know for a fact that there are people doing exactly the opposite and they feel happy to get the older model discounted. Buying stuff second hand, years after it has been discontinued, is different since you will get it for a bargain price. But I couldn't live with the thought I spent almost the same money as the latest and improved model but got the older one instead, that would be unbearable. Even speaking about that makes me feel uncomfortable already This is what my guts tell me... And why I am trying to rationalize... GSeb
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Thanks Jay,
On the key action itself (without considering the sound), is the PHA50 really feeling different than PHA4? I was wondering if the wood addition was more cosmetic than mechanic. As for the sound, I tried the 508 which I found quite good... Now, can you tell us how you would describe the evolution from this to the new 605 modeling. Does it make sounds noticeably better?...
Bottom line, is the improvement significant enough, in your opinion, to try the 605 before making a decision?
Thanks, GSeb 100% i would take the opportunity to try a 605 before making up your mind. The addition of wood gives the keys a very organic feeling. The sound of the piano resonates nicely though the keys and completes the package. The keys feel right. The new modelling engine has a wonderful tonal transition and everything is as it should be. Nuanced resonances are the way they should be, and the player-key action-sound engine connection is outstanding. Jay
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