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I know the focus of this piano is not jazz, tailored mostly to the classical pianist. Even so, will there be any audio samples of the jazz piano sounds? I saw in the six part video demonstration there were some jazz piano settings using the Vienna Grand and would love to get an idea of what it sounds like. I'm mostly playing jazz these days and having a piano with an EQ for jazz would be excellent. I'm seriously considering getting a loan and just buying the GP300 for my conservatory studies at home. It does look amazing.
PS. What is the warranty on these pianos? Considering they are top of the line digital pianos, I imagine at least the same 3 year warranty as current Privias?
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From what I can see on their site it appears to be a formatting issue which I'll bring to their attention. The GP-500 has the additional items in the "Acoustic Simulator" section which include:
Open String Resonance
Aliquot Resonance
Key on/off and pedal action noises Does this mean that these things aren't simulated on the GP-300, or just that the GP-300 doesn't have controls to change them from their defaults?
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Thanks for posting those links! All of my questions have been answered. As soon as one appears over here I'll give it a spin.
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I'm now practically certain it doesn't have escapement - you can see in the Action clip that the hammers do not bounce back. ;^)
EDIT: Ah, they state that clearly anyway. Sorry.
EDIT #2: And they think it's an ADVANTANGE not to have escapement. I wonder what the purists will say about that. ;^)
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I'm now practically certain it doesn't have escapement - you can see in the Action clip that the hammers do not bounce back. ;^)
EDIT: Ah, they state that clearly anyway. Sorry.
EDIT #2: And they think it's an ADVANTANGE not to have escapement. I wonder what the purists will say about that. ;^)
Greg. I'll withhold my judgment until I play one.
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I'll withhold my judgment until I play one.
Fair enough. I'm mainly interested in it from an academic perspective - if Casio had designed a simplified action that had real escapement, I would have been fascinated by that. It's irrelevant for my playing. I trust Casio that it is probably technically superior to a real action, but I'm not sure that those pianists who want a complete "warts & all" simulation of a grand action will go for it. I.e, if they practise on the Casio without escapement, they might find that it takes a bit longer to adjust to a real grand that has escapement, than if they had practised on something with escapement all along. Greg.
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I wish they had a mini-grand cabinet version for around $8K MSRP. I'd be interested if the action is as good as said and it had a great speaker/amp system. I don't really care about the built-in sample quality since I wouldn't use them anyway. I like what I have now but a better action would be worth an upgrade.
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I'm not sure if the aux-in connections -for the new Celviano- are placed in the front, but it would be nice if these were placed behind the piano, so as to keep incoming cables hidden from sight.
The upright version of the GranTouch had these connections on the back; I don't know why this changed over time. These upright-type pianos are meant to be placed against a wall, so the back side is never visible. Why not keep all the clutter behind the piano?
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I suspect that those sorts of inputs are intended to be a "use and remove" application, so folks don't want to have to keep on crawling behind the piano to hook 'em up.
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personally, once I plug these in, I'm good till the next piano upgrade.
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The lack of escapement has done turned me off, but I still am wondering about 88-key sampling? What has anybody heard.
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Nice job on Keyboard Magazine's visit to Casio to get the scoop on these new models.
If they got the key drop depth right, the general sensation of weight/resistance with the right grading, the pivot point and feel of the swing, and a dispersed enough impact when when you hit the felt... Clearly the action is very fast, no strings - so no actual need for escapement or double escapement mechanisms, and yet there is a certain feeling that produces. I'm curious as all heck to play it and see what it feels like. I have no doubt they've done a nice job on the sample libraries, amp, and speaker system. But same deal, need to sit in front of it to make a determination.
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I'm now practically certain it doesn't have escapement - you can see in the Action clip that the hammers do not bounce back. ;^)
EDIT: Ah, they state that clearly anyway. Sorry.
EDIT #2: And they think it's an ADVANTANGE not to have escapement. I wonder what the purists will say about that. ;^)
Greg. I would think it has to have at least single escapement - I mean it can't be that the hammer is directly coupled to the key motion. It must be possible to hit the key short and sharp and have the key return while the hammer continues toward the "strings". So it seems they don't think double-escapement is necessary. This might not appeal to everyone - especially a student who wants to prepare for performance on an acoustic grand. i.e. it might be too easy to do a tremolo. But who knows? The devil will be in the details. It might feel great, it might not - like Dave Horne, I'll reserve my judgement until I play one. I am looking forward to trying it out.
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Ando: I don't think what you describe is "single escapement" at all. My understanding is that "single escapement" is the ability of the hammer to detach from the key, during the down-stroke, so that the hammer is free to rebound from the strings, with the key still in the down position. This Casio action clearly does not allow this. EDIT: Refer here: http://www.piano.christophersmit.com/action.htmlCristofori's original design included a single-escapement action. Single escapement is what allows hammer to be released (escape) from the influence of the key and the rest of the action. The hammer strikes the string and falls back, even if the key is still depressed. Without this escapement, the hammer would be held against the string (muting its vibrations) for as long as the key was depressed. The double escapement action was developed by Sébastien Erard in the 1800's. Double escapement occurs when the jack is reset beneath the hammer as the key is partially released. This allows the note to be repeated quickly without the action parts returning to their original at-rest positions. Greg.
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Speaking as an owner of a Yamaha AvantGrand N3 (and quite a few other instruments), I have to say I'm really impressed so far.
Casio already has the sampled sounds nailed (check out the PX-5S), and has apparently sourced the keybed action from C. Bechstein. The only element that's left is amplification (not difficult) and furniture appeal.
These products are definitely going to be a huge player in the home digital/acoustic category. Casio is certainly bringing game. And my good friends at Yamaha are going to have to up their ante -- and quickly.
Not that I'm looking for a new digital hybrid, but it would be cool to play this and a N3 side by side.
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I'm sure this DP will be a smash hit - on spec alone it's an impressive instrument at an apparently unbeatable price. I'm not in the slightest bothered by lack of escapement and have yet to witness a demonstration of its practical 'musical' value.
I'd like to know more about the way it treats its line input for connecting software pianos. Will it fall short of delivering the full 'realistic' sound stage that it claims to provide for its own internal sounds? Someone might correct me on this but I recall reading here that Yamaha's AG is a disappointment in that respect.
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Has anyone played one of these?
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I'm not in the slightest bothered by lack of escapement and have yet to witness a demonstration of its practical 'musical' value. It's value, as I tried to explain before, might be, at the very least, that a player who is practising on a digital piano with escapement (either real, or simulated), can more easily transfer to a real piano. Without escapement, the player may get used to playing ppp without having to overcome the increase in resistance that the escapement produces, and then completely fall in a heap on stage when they play the real thing.  Greg.
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The AvantGard by Yamaha have an upright action, no? Certainly the ones I have seen, have.
So this is in a different game. This is no upright action.
And as I under stand it from the pictures of the action and the videos, the keys are full length, not only in front of the pivot, but also behind it. Maybe baby grand, but grand. 100% Bechstein keyboard, they say.
That's a first, is it not?
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