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If I get free music from the internet I have to print it onto A4 size paper. That is just too small for my elderly eyes.
Is there an answer? Good lighting and the right vision correction? Hey Malkin Good lighting really does help-- but just wanted to let you know that, unfortunately, not all vision issues can be corrected by a prescription and a pair of glasses. This is a very common misconception. Sad but very true, as I can attest after a lifetime of many specialists. I wish it were that easy. In this case, it is necessary to get creative with both printing, and relying more on memory and hearing.
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When i have the money i will go for a 24 inch. I think it will fit vey good and also have a bigger view of the page.
If you go for 30 inch, you can put 3 A4s side by side, without needing any rotation ;-)
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That's clever George Gk, but I see that with a widescreen display you lose a lot of room above and below the music.
Contrary to what I stated above I got an iPad Pro yesterday, and its 12.9 inch screen is just right for the A4 format. Much more expensive than an ordinary monitor, but it sits on the piano just fine and you can turn the pages with a finger tap (or an AirTurn pedal). And you can write directly on the music, plus it does a ton of other things. I got it because I'm a self-indulgent Apple addict, not because I actually needed it, but I think it's perfect for professional musicians and serious amateurs.
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btw... Earlofmar, what the heck are you learning? That looks advanced! I'm afraid you will need a grand piano very soon!
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That's clever George Gk, but I see that with a widescreen display you lose a lot of room above and below the music.
Contrary to what I stated above I got an iPad Pro yesterday, and its 12.9 inch screen is just right for the A4 format. Much more expensive than an ordinary monitor, but it sits on the piano just fine and you can turn the pages with a finger tap (or an AirTurn pedal). And you can write directly on the music, plus it does a ton of other things. I got it because I'm a self-indulgent Apple addict, not because I actually needed it, but I think it's perfect for professional musicians and serious amateurs. You can write on it? Tell me how that works. (Use small words, I'm a bit of a Luddite.) Thanks!
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You can write on it? Tell me how that works. (Use small words, I'm a bit of a Luddite.)
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In many apps that can open PDF files you can add notes and comments, highlight text etc., and if you have a stylus (or better, Apple Pencil) you can actually write in your fingering etc. like with a real pencil on real paper... well at least I hope so, I don't have the Pencil yet!
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Two solutions come to mind, 1) On a budget ? Two poles and a washing line and some clips, you have the freedom to put the poles on either side an move it towards and away as much as you want and have lot of width to play with too. You simply clip on the music sheets like you would with your washing, seriously I've seen someone do this 2) This is what I do aside from printed music and books, A lot of PCs have multiple HDMI or DVI ports for multiple monitors. Often laptops have one free graphics port for separate monitor to connect an external screen as well. Much cheaper than buying an extra ipad or tablet of reasonable size, typically screens that are 16:9 and 23 inches or above are easily got around 100 GBP these days, or 27-8 inches for 200 GBP. Of course, if the piano is too tall this would not work well, but the Celviano I own is perfect for this and many digitals come in that sort of height. This works perfectly for me. I simply pull out the music rest and put the monitor on top of the piano instead. I use an old spare 19 inch monitor I had for this as it is fine for me, still quite a bit bigger and easier to see on those than laptop screens which are often typically perhaps 15 inches or so thereabouts.
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My thoughts too, Sinophilia - that's a difficult piece for just three years of study by Earlofmar! It's the Albeniz - Andaluza. (I like this rendition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHOOuxiPMIU, and, of course, there is the incomparable Alicia recording available on youtube of the whole suite.) It's an interesting concept to blank out the area around the notes on a page that need attention - it looks "clearer" and easier to find or glance at than just circling the section. Mind you, the pianist would have to remember the notes surrounding it while playing! Maybe it is a feature that software types might add for those of us using tablets? Maybe just gray out, rather than erase, the surrounding notes? (Most programs allow you to remove added markings later, if you wish. Or you can save a clean and marked-up version of any piece.) M
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btw... Earlofmar, what the heck are you learning? That looks advanced! I'm afraid you will need a grand piano very soon! the piece is Spanish Dance No 5 by Grandos but don't expect to hear me playing it anytime soon as it's quite a stretch. However here is a how this beautiful piece should sound;
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No argument here Sinophilia. I started to look for a cheap tablet around 12-13 inch 16:9. I would be great to have but the cost was quite high even for china models. So i remembered that i had some 18.5 monitor at the storage room and that was it.I made the DYI stand and i also bought one of those It works as a charm on windows 10. The cost for all of those was around 40 euro (with the pedals and the stand). About the monitor, i know that there are monitors that have the power supply and the HDMI sockets at the side.Because of the low weight, it could be placed at the music Rest of the piano
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I stand corrected- it's Granados - not Albeniz - for the Andaluza.
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Ditch the iPad Pro.. it is such a lame tab that spins across 13 frigging inches vertically. For any tab beyond 10 inches, you WILL want the panel and the res to go horizontally for general usage.
Get a real tablet of the Yoga 3 caliber, maybe some Transformer Book kind tab/netbook combo like the HP Spectre x360.. it will ultimately be better than 30 inches of 200 year old tech that is plain white paper..
Also, if you have something like an UHD TV for monitor, and pro enough not to look while playing, you can just up the font size and use that caliber of panel... go for modern tech... forget about papers..
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Just printing the page out blown up seems like by far the most logical solution. You don't even need any program or know-how really. Take a screen shot of half the music and then print it out in landscape on A4. If you really want, tape the two pieces together and you have the one page on A3 again.
Double the size in 1 min with $0 spent. Am I missing something?
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I think you are, I've used both approaches to music.. if you already DO have an at least 10 inch tablet, it makes most sense to use that, given the easy navigation of pages on a tablet, and moving around in pages on one.. over physically looking at a fixed font white paper..
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In many apps that can open PDF files you can add notes and comments, highlight text etc., and if you have a stylus (or better, Apple Pencil) you can actually write in your fingering etc. like with a real pencil on real paper... well at least I hope so, I don't have the Pencil yet!
Now there's a reason to covet a big tablet! Keep us posted on how it works! (So far, my letter to Santa is a big blank )
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I got an iPad Pro yesterday, and its 12.9 inch screen is just right for the A4 format. Much more expensive than an ordinary monitor, but it sits on the piano just fine and you can turn the pages with a finger tap (or an AirTurn pedal). And you can write directly on the music, plus it does a ton of other things. I got it because I'm a self-indulgent Apple addict, not because I actually needed it, but I think it's perfect for professional musicians and serious amateurs. I got one yesterday too! Despite my (very mature) eyes, I managed quite well for the past 14 months with ForScore on my 9.7 inch iPad 4, but I kept hoping that Apple would bring out the much-rumoured 12.9 inch. Side by side the difference between the two is simply amazing - my scanned album pages are now full size, and the resolution is superb. It was worth the wait!
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I got an iPad Pro yesterday, and its 12.9 inch screen is just right for the A4 format. Much more expensive than an ordinary monitor, but it sits on the piano just fine and you can turn the pages with a finger tap (or an AirTurn pedal). And you can write directly on the music, plus it does a ton of other things. I got it because I'm a self-indulgent Apple addict, not because I actually needed it, but I think it's perfect for professional musicians and serious amateurs. I got one yesterday too! Despite my (very mature) eyes, I managed quite well for the past 14 months with ForScore on my 9.7 inch iPad 4, but I kept hoping that Apple would bring out the much-rumoured 12.9 inch. Side by side the difference between the two is simply amazing - my scanned album pages are now full size, and the resolution is superb. It was worth the wait! Why would you even buy into an Apple tablet? For the money, there are options you can load Windows on and transform into a laptop, that have even higher res screens than that, imho, crap overrate tab.. the only good thing about it is that because it spins its screen across vertically, it will be a decent choice for sheet music. Yawn..
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@SuhrRocks, you're an Apple hater, okay, we got that... I won't even bother to go into detailed discussion with you. The iPad Pro is actually the perfect size for music, but how could you know that, since you don't own one? I get enough of Windows at work, thank you, I can do without it in my spare time. Anyway, I will be able to tell you all a bit more in a few weeks' time, after I've tested it properly. I've loaded it with a lot of music already, using GoodReader, but I will have to try other apps too. It will be fun to just download stuff from IMSLP, and hopefully we can use the multitasking function to check Youtube videos and recordings while looking at the music... I'm pretty sure my sight-reading practice will get a boost! @MarieJ Congratulations on your purchase!
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Look, let me get one thing straight. I'm not a "hater" or a "fanboy" of any brand or anything, that's the first thing that is needed to be said here.
For the money you can spend on that tab, you can buy a WINDOWS tablet THAT CAN TRANSFORM TO A LAPTOP. Is that so hard for you to understand? Why am I repeating the same things? Also, a transformer-book type lappy/tab combo WILL mount itself on ye piano using its own mount on its back side.. AND you WILL be able to twist and shape it however you like. With the junker overrate expensive iPad Noob, you will pay a load of money to buy a stand to do that.
Windows 10 will give you ultimately more options for any form of usage, MIDI compilation, GuitarPro, or even crappy Rocksmith.. what you won't be able to play on iOS. Capicha?
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Oh I'm really sorry if you have to repeat yourself, you see I'm hopelessly dumb and I don't understand anything about technology, I've only been using computers for thirty years. I was probably using Windows when you weren't even born I wonder why you care so much about the way other people spend their money. Why on earth should I buy a Windows tablet that I can use as a laptop, which will ultimately be bad at both things, when I can use my wonderful Macbook Pro for work and my stunning iPads for everything else? Anyway, if you are so passionate about convincing other people to use Microsoft products, well this isn't the way. Insults won't do. Sorry. Your aggressiveness is completely out of place in this forum. Oh, and it's "capisci". At least spell that right.
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