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I have made a re-recording of Chopin Etude 10-4 with video. I wanted to share with you to receive your comments about how much acceptable it is.

https://youtu.be/Nk2RB4tvWPg


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Well done. I think your pedaling choices weren't the best and you could increase your dynamic range a bit, but it is a very acceptable performance nonetheless.

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Hi and well done, indeed. This is one of the etudes that I could never master (whereas the octaves were a piece of cake for me! grin ).

Personally, I don't mind the pedal, but I do agree with Damon on the note about your dynamic range, but I'd like to specify it a bit: I find that this etude is filled with opportunities on very strong accents and you seem 'timid' to try them out (I'm talking about the last chord/octave every 4 or so bars (don't have the score with me right now)).

Other than that, it's perfectly acceptable (acceptable for what I'm not sure, but anyhow)...

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Hi and well done, indeed. This is one of the etudes that I could never master (whereas the octaves were a piece of cake for me! grin ).

Personally, I don't mind the pedal, but I do agree with Damon on the note about your dynamic range, but I'd like to specify it a bit: I find that this etude is filled with opportunities on very strong accents and you seem 'timid' to try them out (I'm talking about the last chord/octave every 4 or so bars (don't have the score with me right now)).

Other than that, it's perfectly acceptable (acceptable for what I'm not sure, but anyhow)...

Bravo. Very accomplished performance of an extremely challenging piece. You can play this!

I replied to Nikolas because I agree with him about the fourth beat accents. These clearly establish a large-scale rhythmic pattern that runs throughout the piece. Moreover, if you observe those and other indications for articulation codified in the score, you'll be able to generate much more energy, which is what this performance really needs. You have mastered the notes - a major accomplishment. So I think you have enough technical security to make this much more edgy, fiery, kinetic, etc. Now you get to do the really fun stuff!

But, as I say, excellent playing. Great form and technique!


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Nice! You're doing some things very well here. The only thing I'd be comfortable saying about your performance is that I'd like you to be more lyrical with your lines. I think this will help you from clipping the end of your phrases, which happens quite a bit here. Don't be afraid to let your notes breathe, especially in the left hand. Acoustically it's natural for your bass notes to sound more muddy, so take that into consideration. I'd love to see you work on clarity in the left hand. Nice job so far!!!


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Thank you all for your valuable comments.
All your findings focus one particular area that is lack of musicality and lyricism. Indeed, I also noticed after I listened to this recording that I am playing so flat without dims and Crescs. Frankly, while I am playing, I feel that I doing these effects but I think it rather happens in my mind and not able to reflect to my fingers. I will listen to what I am playing more to improve this phenomenon of mine.
Why I asked whether it be "acceptable", well because I want to attend the van cliburn amateur piano competition this year and I am supposed to send my live recordings to competition jury by March 2016. If I cannot manage a better rec then I think I can send this one as well.

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. . . I think it rather happens in my mind and not able to reflect to my fingers. I will listen to what I am playing more to improve this phenomenon of mine.

Join the club! If I played as well as I think I play when I'm playing, well, I'd be playing Carnegie Hall.

Good luck with the Cliburn. Doesn't look like you'll have much trouble getting in. Maybe I'll see you there, assuming I get in too.


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I think your interpretation is really quite interesting and original. It has a lot of good ideas.

If I were to suggest something, I would focus on relaxing, getting rid of all the unneeded tension in your muscles. The more you can do that, the more fluid and natural it will feel.


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Hi, you are a very polished pianist. Congratulations on your performance. This etude is at first tough to get steady and even, and a rhythmically vibrant performance requires total involvement. It’s one of the few compositions that Chopin ever gave the designation of ‘presto’ (last movement of Sonata #2 also comes to mind and the four Scherzi) and only one of two etudes designated as such, the other being pus 25.2 in f minor. So 10.4 can pretty much go as fast as you want (if in control of course).

The ‘con fuoco’ (fiery), especially at the end, is a good clue to Chopin’s concept – remember, he was a teenager when he wrote this.
I’d like to share an anecdote I came across while researching my own book, and I haven’t seen this mentioned anywhere else.
Authoress George Eliot once heard Chopin perform an etude which she described as ‘hair-raising’. She further reports that Chopin said the etude was inspired by the railroad. Although not identified specifically I believe it must have been Opus 10.4. Chopin had a talent for mimicry and this etude really does resemble the railroad – which in the late 1820’s would have been a novel sensation. A similar anecdote – Liszt was once asked by an Italian audience to improvise on the ‘railroad’. If this is the case, Chopin’s “railroad’ predates Alkan’s by a decade.

I agree with the comments about accents. They are clearly marked in most editions (I haven’t seen any of the manuscripts of this etude). They add much flavor to the piece. Here are a couple of authoritative quotes on the topic in general.

"Music is full of nuances and accents of greater or less intensity, critical for rhythmic expression - to which pupils hardly ever give any attention. They correspond to vocal accents in reading aloud, or in declamation. … Liszt was very fond of strong accents in order to mark off periods and phrases, and he talked so much about strong accentuation that one might have supposed that he would abuse it, but he never did. When he wrote to me later about my own piano method, he expressed the strongest approval of the exercises on accentuation."
WILLIAM MASON

"The dead letter of the music cannot convey the vivacity with which the gypsy virtuoso executes it, or the incessant mobility of its rhythms, the fiery eloquence of its phrases, the expressive accent of its declamation."
LISZT

see old footage of S. Richter playing this étude (it has over 700k views which is quite a number)for marked accentuation. The dynamics greatly add to the drama of the piece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ-NAgDpRVs

Not saying to play like him - you must be yourself.

"It was a serious moment for me when Beethoven appeared. Was I to try to follow in the footsteps of such a genius? For a while I did not know what I stood on, but finally I realized that it was best to remain true to myself and my own nature."
J. N. HUMMEL

All the best.


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