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#2506527 - 02/02/16 11:15 AM Semi-decent stand for my ES7
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Hi,
So now that I'm trying to commit to play again (again!) I definitely think a better stand is in order for my ES7, one that doesn't wobble whenever playing would be nice!

Looking for recommendations, needs to be able to be taken apart/moved without too much effort as the piano isn't in a permanent place at the moment.
You can see what I've got at the moment here:



Any recommendations would be appreciated smile
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#2506534 - 02/02/16 11:46 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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I would get the furniture stand that is made for that piano.

I believe it is the Kawai HM-4 product ID. You may see it as HML4 or HM4 on some websites.

You can remove the keyboard from that stand with just 2 wingnuts and then the stand and keyboard can be moved easily, separately.

You do not have to break down the stand any further. It is light enough to just pick it up as it is.




Edited by dmd (02/02/16 11:53 AM)
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#2506633 - 02/02/16 07:38 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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GeorgeStorm,

Yes, the HM-4 stand (for ES7/ES8) or a good quality table stand such as the K&M 18953 will be a marked improvement over the X-stand you are currently using.

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#2506637 - 02/02/16 07:49 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm

Looking for recommendations, needs to be able to be taken apart/moved without too much effort as the piano isn't in a permanent place at the moment.


K&M Omega has been an amazingly solid and portable stand for me with all my boards in including ES7. Expensive, but well worth it IMO.

http://produkte.k-m.de/en/Keyboard-stand...and-Omega-black

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/OmegaStd



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#2506641 - 02/02/16 08:14 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By Marko in Boston
K&M Omega has been an amazingly solid and portable stand for me with all my boards in including ES7.


I have never owned this type of stand but I may consider it in the future.

However, Looking at the photo, I cannot see how the keyboard will be connected to the stand.

Can you shed some light on that ?
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#2506647 - 02/02/16 08:33 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Hi Don, keyboard does not connect in a literal sense, just sits solidly on top of the arms. The variable board width is a great feature. Plus expandability options which i have not tried yet. Check out the video for a better visual if you have not seen it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We6ComisfMk




Edited by Marko in Boston (02/02/16 08:34 PM)
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#2506652 - 02/02/16 08:43 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By Marko in Boston
Hi Don, keyboard does not connect in a literal sense, just sits solidly on top of the arms.


Ok ... Well, that is what it looked like. I just didn't believe that was it.

So, the weight of the keyboard is enough to keep it solidly in place while you play it.

Interesting.... Thanks, Marko
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#2506658 - 02/02/16 08:52 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By dmd
Originally Posted By Marko in Boston
Hi Don, keyboard does not connect in a literal sense, just sits solidly on top of the arms.


Ok ... Well, that is what it looked like. I just didn't believe that was it.

So, the weight of the keyboard is enough to keep it solidly in place while you play it.

Interesting.... Thanks, Marko


Of course the HM-4 stand is the most solid option, but for portability the Omega is a great option with little compromise.



I was just reponding to this as an option and Omega seemed like a good fit:
Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm
Looking for recommendations, needs to be able to be taken apart/moved without too much effort as the piano isn't in a permanent place at the moment.


Edited by Marko in Boston (02/02/16 08:56 PM)
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#2506812 - 02/03/16 09:03 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Thanks for the replies, meant to say I'm based in the UK as that often is a limiting factor when it comes to buying things I find, however all of the stuff you guys recommended is available from thomann.de it seems which is a decent site as far as I'm aware.

Currently it's in a room with carpet if that has any affect on the options suggested so far. I do like the look of the furniture one, my only (well my main) concern would be when it comes to moving it from house to house, and if the taking apart/putting back together would cause damage over time (will be moving this summer and possibly the summer after that).

There is something very satisfying about the way the K&M stands look, industrial and not cheap.

With regards to the moving, it doesn't have to move to a lot, but it needs to be fairly easily moved if you get me, in theory it can stay there for months, but if people want the space in the room then it needs to be taken down so it's out of the way on the floor (it partially blocks the TV)


Edited by GeorgeStorm (02/03/16 09:04 AM)
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#2506826 - 02/03/16 09:47 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm
With regards to the moving, it doesn't have to move to a lot, but it needs to be fairly easily moved if you get me, in theory it can stay there for months, but if people want the space in the room then it needs to be taken down so it's out of the way on the floor (it partially blocks the TV)


Well, if you are THAT pressed for room, then the furniture stand is probably not right for this. It really cannot be reduced in size and set out of the way as easily as the K&M Stand.

I am just wondering how the TV got in the way, here. The image you provided did not show any TV issue.



Edited by dmd (02/03/16 09:49 AM)
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#2506833 - 02/03/16 10:10 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: dmd]
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That was from my house a couple of years ago, current setup is like this....




Edited by GeorgeStorm (02/03/16 10:11 AM)
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#2506839 - 02/03/16 10:23 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Oh, well ... then I would guess the K&M is best.
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#2506966 - 02/03/16 06:49 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Yes, I agree, the K&M would be the most portable option, while still being stable.

Cheers,
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#2506971 - 02/03/16 06:59 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Please buy one soon. That single-brace X stand makes me uneasy just looking at it!
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#2507075 - 02/04/16 05:08 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Haha I'm sorry for making you feel that way!

So both the 18953 and 18810 have been recommended, with them not being to different in terms of price, which would be the preferred choice and why?

Thanks again
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#2507079 - 02/04/16 06:05 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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I like the QuikLok Monolith for two reasons, it's sturdy and folds flat.

http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=70&sName=M-91
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#2507083 - 02/04/16 06:25 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By Dave Horne
I like the QuikLok Monolith for two reasons, it's sturdy and folds flat.

http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=70&sName=M-91




Ooh that looks pretty hefty!

Little more expensive than the K&Ms but also available directly from Amazon which is easier for me. The lifetime warranty also sounds good.


Edited by GeorgeStorm (02/04/16 06:42 AM)
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#2507093 - 02/04/16 07:30 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm
Originally Posted By Dave Horne
I like the QuikLok Monolith for two reasons, it's sturdy and folds flat.

http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=70&sName=M-91




Ooh that looks pretty hefty!

Little more expensive than the K&Ms but also available directly from Amazon which is easier for me. The lifetime warranty also sounds good.


Pretty good price here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/quik-lok-m-91-monolith-single-tier-keyboard-stand

Or here:


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Quik-Lok+M-91+Monolith+Single-Tier+Keyboard+Stand+++++


Edited by dmd (02/04/16 07:32 AM)
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#2507095 - 02/04/16 07:36 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By dmd
Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm
Originally Posted By Dave Horne
I like the QuikLok Monolith for two reasons, it's sturdy and folds flat.

http://www.quiklok.com/catalog/?p=productsMore&iProduct=70&sName=M-91




Ooh that looks pretty hefty!

Little more expensive than the K&Ms but also available directly from Amazon which is easier for me. The lifetime warranty also sounds good.


Pretty good price here:

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/accessories/quik-lok-m-91-monolith-single-tier-keyboard-stand

Or here:


http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Quik-Lok+M-91+Monolith+Single-Tier+Keyboard+Stand+++++


I'm in the UK so sadly that limits my options.
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#2507118 - 02/04/16 08:53 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: Dave Horne]
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It looks like it has the cure for wandering pedal syndrome as well.
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#2507147 - 02/04/16 10:02 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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When I bought that QuikLok Monolith I was using the P250 or P300 which are very thick keyboards. I had the Monolith chopped at a metal shop so the lowest setting would be even lower.

You might want to check out the specs for the lowest setting to be sure it would be low enough for your keyboard at a conventional height.
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#2507414 - Yesterday at 02:01 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm




I'm in the UK so sadly that limits my options.


Monolith is 99 quid from Amazon.co.uk.

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#2507436 - Yesterday at 04:07 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: moleskincrusher]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm




I'm in the UK so sadly that limits my options.


Monolith is 99 quid from Amazon.co.uk.


Yeah that's where I'd seen it, the omegas are in the £80s, hence why it's a little more expensive.

I'll try to check the height thing!
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#2507442 - Yesterday at 04:33 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm

I'll try to check the height thing!


Omega dimensions (mm)




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#2507459 - Yesterday at 05:44 AM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm

I'll try to check the height thing!


Omega dimensions (mm)






Thanks, it seems the lowest the monolith goes is just over 66cm, I'll try to remember to check how tall my stool is etc and my current setup is tonight when I get in.
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#2507959 - Today at 02:31 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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The keyboard height is currently 66cm and that seems ok to me, so any of the stands linked should be ok in that regard.
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#2507976 - Today at 03:31 PM Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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As Mark pointed out, K&M Omega is the best stand we ever used. Not the best to carry around, still can be taken down a bit of effort. Very stable stand, we bought from Thomann - who is a lot cheaper than UK.

Originally Posted By GeorgeStorm


There is something very satisfying about the way the K&M stands look, industrial and not cheap.
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#2508032 - 11 minutes 15 seconds ago Re: Semi-decent stand for my ES7 [Re: GeorgeStorm]
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Actually, even a double X stand would be an improvement over what you have. I found the single X design to be too flimsy when I upgraded my piano and the P105 isn't even that heavy.
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