Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
(ad)
Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
129 registered (Anne'sson, 36251, anamnesis, accordeur, 34 invisible), 1293 Guests and 5 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#2508909 - 02/09/16 11:19 PM Seeking advice on a compact digital piano
joshjackson Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/22/16
Posts: 8
Hi everyone,

I would like to get your views/advice on a digital piano that is "piano-focused". For reasons of budget, space, portability and neighbours/housemates, I am looking for a compact digital piano that comes close to an acoustic. I'm mainly interested in the piano functions and am unlikely to use the other voices like strings, choir etc. Now I realise that no digital piano can fully simulate an acoustic but are there any that come close? Of particular concern to me is the touch and feel of the keys.

Just as background, I grew up playing a Yamaha upright piano (U1) and completed my Grade 8 ABRSM 10 years ago. I'm looking to pick up where I left off (improve technique and maybe work towards the DipABRSM in a couple of years if I feel ready) but can't really afford a silent acoustic piano. The reason why I'm looking for a compact option is because I tend to move around quite a bit and don't want the hassle of moving a "regular" heavy digital piano.

I'm somewhat familiar with the Yamaha DPs. From what I've read, the P-255 or P-155 looks to be what I should be aiming towards. Do you think these models would suit my needs? Or are they so incomparable to an acoustic that I shouldn't even bother? Any other brand models I should be looking at? My budget is around USD2,000 (I live in Canada btw).

I'd really appreciate any advice you may have. Thanks!

Top
(ad 800)
Yamaha CP Stage Pianos
Yamaha CP Stage Pianos Simply the Best
#2508918 - 02/09/16 11:44 PM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: joshjackson]
fizikisto Online   content
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/13/12
Posts: 1520
Loc: Hernando, MS
I would look very seriously at the kawai ES8. It can be had for about $2000 USD. If you can stretch your budge to $2500 you can get the custom stand and triple pedal board, but the piano itself (with a single damper pedal) is around your max budget. I would say that it represents a significant step up in quality over the yamaha pianos you mentioned. So it may be worth looking into.
_________________________
Nord Stage 2 HA88
Roland RD800

Top
#2508954 - 02/10/16 03:28 AM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: fizikisto]
joshjackson Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/22/16
Posts: 8
Thanks very much for the suggestion. I've begun to look at some of the Kawai DPs, includin gthe ES8.

I've also seen some people on here recommend the VPC for it's action, although I would have to hook it up to a PC and get the virtual piano software. Do you think the VPC is a viable option? If I'm not mistaken, cost-wise it's a few hundred dollars cheaper but if I have to buy the proper software and speakers, it might end up around the same or possibly a bit more.

Top
#2508958 - 02/10/16 03:56 AM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: joshjackson]
Garf Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/27/14
Posts: 101
Kawai ES8 and Roland FP-80 should be great options, much better than that Yamaha.

The VPC1 is an option if you're willing to deal with having to turn your computer on if you want to play. Good software pianos can be had for USD100, if you're going to be using headphones you don't even need to bother with getting speakers. The action is superior to all the other options.

Top
(ad) ROLAND

Click Here

#2509331 - 02/11/16 01:40 AM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: Garf]
joshjackson Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/22/16
Posts: 8
Since the action is my main priority, I am willing to deal with inconvenience of having to hook it up to my computer. I do wish the VPC were slightly lighter though, but I guess the different/better action necessitated the increase in weight.

I have a rather dumb question though. What determines or affects the quality of the sound coming from my headphones that are plugged into the computer? Apart from the quality of my headphones, my playing and the piano software I use, what other variables are there? Will I need a good soundcard in my computer? I am currently using a laptop with Realtek soundcard.

Top
#2509337 - 02/11/16 02:24 AM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: joshjackson]
Charles Cohen Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 2777
Loc: Richmond, BC, Canada
You might want to spend some time on the Pianoteq user forum:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/

There's no universally-agreed answer to that question. Some people find that high-quality soundcards make a difference.

The path is:

MIDI signal from keyboard -->
. . . software piano -->
. . . . . digital audio -->
. . . . . . soundcard processing -->
.. . . . . . . headphones.

So that soundcard is an important element in the chain.

A slow (or badly-set-up) computer will give you "latency" -- a delay between striking the key, and hearing the synthesized sound. That affects timing (and playability), not tone quality.
_________________________
. Charles
---------------------------
PX-350 / microKorg XL+ / Pianoteq / Lounge Lizard / Korg Wavedrum / EV ZXA1 speaker

Top
#2509344 - 02/11/16 02:44 AM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: joshjackson]
kanefsky Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/04/15
Posts: 71
Originally Posted By joshjackson
I have a rather dumb question though. What determines or affects the quality of the sound coming from my headphones that are plugged into the computer? Apart from the quality of my headphones, my playing and the piano software I use, what other variables are there? Will I need a good soundcard in my computer? I am currently using a laptop with Realtek soundcard.


It depends on the headphones and the sound card. Some headphones are harder to drive than others. Most likely the built-in sound card will be just fine, but if you feel like the quality isn't quite good enough you can get a little headphone amp that's roughly the size of a deck of cards which will plug into the USB port on the laptop and drive the headphones with as much quality as you want to pay for (bypassing the built-in sound card completely).

--
Steve

Top
#2509354 - 02/11/16 03:36 AM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: joshjackson]
Garf Offline
Full Member

Registered: 08/27/14
Posts: 101
Originally Posted By joshjackson
Will I need a good soundcard in my computer? I am currently using a laptop with Realtek soundcard.


Realtek makes a ton of chips in multiple variations and generations. They go from low end to high end. But aside from the sound chip itself, the electronics your laptop manufacturer used to integrate the chip will also determine the quality, as does the shielding etc. So it's really hard to say something about this without measuring it.

On the positive side, Realtek's drivers are able to achieve low latency with ASIO4All (a free driver that you can install).

You can install the demo version of Pianoteq and play some example MIDIs, then listen to your headphones and judge for yourself whether it's good enough.

Top
#2510564 - 02/14/16 04:53 PM Re: Seeking advice on a compact digital piano [Re: Garf]
joshjackson Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 01/22/16
Posts: 8
Thanks for all the responses. I think I have a fairly good idea now about the VPC and how it works.

I guess I will have to try both the VPC (or one with similar action) and ES8 out at a store to see which I prefer. I just wish the VPC wasn't so heavy, but I guess that's the price I have to pay for the RM3 action.

Top

Moderator:  Piano World 
What's Hot!!
Why It's Impossible to Tune a Piano!
aka, why you should be nice to your tuner.
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

-------------------
Piano Classified Ads
Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps Caster Cups and more.


Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
(ad)
Hammond A100 for Sale!
PRICE DROPPED!
(Think B3)
Hammond A100 for sale!
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad 125)
Sweetwater $55,000 Giveaway
Sweetwater $55,000 Mic Locker Giveaway
(ads)
PD - WNG - MH
Wessell Nickel & Gross
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Hammer rails on Baldwin SF-10 pianos
by Rich Galassini
05/29/16 01:18 PM
Yamaha grand pianos and a few beginner questions
by Wellplayed
05/29/16 12:44 PM
Books About Arranging?
by MacMorrighan
05/29/16 12:43 PM
Where to get cabinet spare parts for Petrof?
by swampwiz
05/29/16 10:55 AM
kickstarter project survey - online vst check site
by euphoria
05/29/16 10:20 AM
Forum Stats
83,802 Registered Members
44 Forums
173,010 Topics
2,528,943 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2016 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission