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#2509220 - 02/10/16 06:01 PM Introduction and Question about recording video/audio
Jen Weir Offline
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Registered: 02/05/16
Posts: 73
Loc: Corpus Christi TX
Hi everyone!

I have been lurking here for the past few weeks and figured it was time to come out of the shadows. I started playing again recently after about a 16 year hiatus. Mostly the hiatus was because of kids, job, grad school. I had forgotten how relaxing and enjoyable playing the piano is. I'm happy to rediscover my love for it.

I got a GoPro camera for Christmas, so I started making some Youtube videos. It's amazing how many errors/bad habits I can see in my playing in the videos, so I haven't posted too many yet, although I've posted many little 15 second snippets of me playing Vika Yermolyeva's covers on my Instagram (I am jencctx).

I'm using Audacity to record directly with a mixboard attached to my Korg C505 , and trying to time it as close as possible by pushing the record button on the camera at the same time as clicking "record" in Audacity. Then I use Windows MovieMaker to combine the two. It is kind of a clunky process, and my timing is rarely perfect at matching the audio and video. I was wondering what methods you use if you record yourself playing?

Thanks for any suggestions. I am happy to be here and enjoying reading all of your posts!
Jen
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#2509241 - 02/10/16 07:19 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Jen Weir]
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I currently record the piano with a DSLR on a tripod and the audio on a Zoom H1 recorder. Hoping to upgrade to an H6 soon though.

Since I have an acoustic piano I have to use some kind of recorder or mic as it doesn't have any digital output.

Then in audacity, I import the sound file from my video recording, and the sound file from my audio recorder and trim up the files so they sync. Once they sync up, I edit the audio recorder file and discard the video audio so the final result is the audio recorder sound file synced to my DSLR video.
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#2509434 - 02/11/16 10:40 AM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Michiyo-Fir]
Jen Weir Offline
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Loc: Corpus Christi TX
Thanks for responding! My camera lets me turn off the microphone, so I don't have that step of having to discard the audio file from the video file.
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#2509735 - 02/12/16 08:46 AM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Jen Weir]
JoBert Offline
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Originally Posted By Jen Weir
Thanks for responding! My camera lets me turn off the microphone, so I don't have that step of having to discard the audio file from the video file.
I would recommend to leave the camera microphone on. The video editing program usually shows you the sound track as a wave form. So if you have both the wave form of the original sound track and the wave form of the track that was recorded with the additional audio recorder, then it is much easier for you to align this second sound track with the video. Because you can simply visually align the two wave forms (of the original and the additional sound track). After that, you can then discard the original sound track. If you don't have the original sound track to begin with (because you switched off the camera's microphone), then you have to align the aural sound track (by listening to it) with the visual video (by viewing it) which is much more of a hassle to get right.

EDIT: Actually, some video editing tools even have a feature to do this alignment of two sound tracks (that contain the same sound) for you, automatically. Which of course also only works if you leave the camera microphone on.


Edited by JoBert (02/12/16 08:49 AM)
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#2509778 - 02/12/16 10:43 AM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: JoBert]
Jen Weir Offline
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Oh, that's a good point. I turned off my camera microphone because I wear headphones and it was just recording background noise (like the tv that is constantly on). But, if syncing up the audio makes it an easier process, I'll just kick my family members off the tv and record with the camera mike on.
Thanks for the suggestions!
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#2509875 - 02/12/16 02:46 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Jen Weir]
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Registered: 05/25/12
Posts: 386
Loc: Midwest USA
I've got two methods:
1. a quick & dirty demo of a tune for collaboration or somebody, myself included, wants to here me play something. I use a vidicam with a tripod mount. My Samsung tablet would be good enough but I've not made a holding/clamping rig. export as a wmv or an mp4 file. Good enough. What I want to come thru, happens in the most efficient way.
2. For a real "project," i use a Fostex MR8 multi-track recorder. Eventually mastering it down to a lossless stereo file. Drag that into Windows Movie Maker. WMM has a great "fit to audio" button. I drag still slides, and video into the project, and it makes a video as long as the song is. Great! Again, what I want to come thru does, with as little fuss as possible.

I do have Audacity. Played with it a lot, but I guess it's my computer. No matter what I do there's still latency. I used to use it for clipping fronts and rears of files. But I never could truly multi-track record with it, well enough to pass. But it was four or five years ago. I chose the MR8 instead of a newer, faster computer.
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#2511437 - 02/16/16 05:08 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Farmerjones]
Jen Weir Offline
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Registered: 02/05/16
Posts: 73
Loc: Corpus Christi TX
Originally Posted By Farmerjones
I've got two methods:
1. a quick & dirty demo of a tune for collaboration or somebody, myself included, wants to here me play something. I use a vidicam with a tripod mount. My Samsung tablet would be good enough but I've not made a holding/clamping rig. export as a wmv or an mp4 file. Good enough. What I want to come thru, happens in the most efficient way.
2. For a real "project," i use a Fostex MR8 multi-track recorder. Eventually mastering it down to a lossless stereo file. Drag that into Windows Movie Maker. WMM has a great "fit to audio" button. I drag still slides, and video into the project, and it makes a video as long as the song is. Great! Again, what I want to come thru does, with as little fuss as possible.

I do have Audacity. Played with it a lot, but I guess it's my computer. No matter what I do there's still latency. I used to use it for clipping fronts and rears of files. But I never could truly multi-track record with it, well enough to pass. But it was four or five years ago. I chose the MR8 instead of a newer, faster computer.

"Fit to audio" button sounds like what I'm looking for. I'll check it out. THanks for the info!
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#2511539 - 02/16/16 10:30 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Jen Weir]
gracegren Offline
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Registered: 12/02/11
Posts: 130
Loc: California
For just recording practice sessions and making private youtube videos, I simply use a Canon Sure Shot camera. I also used the same setup for an audition. I bought a mic clip for a few dollars that allows me to clip the camera to a mic stand. The video is clear and the audio, amazingly is fine. After I record several audio/videos, I then take out the SD card and download it to Photo Gallery program. From there, if I want to put it on youtube, I can just open the youtube site and drag the file there for uploading. Fastest and simplest thing possible.
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#2511842 - 02/17/16 03:49 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Jen Weir]
Adam Malone Offline
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Registered: 01/19/07
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Loc: Minnesota
A quick and easy way to synchronize the audio & video: do a big loud clap before you begin playing. The spike should be easy to see on both the camera audio and audio recorder waveform.

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#2511859 - 02/17/16 04:29 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Jen Weir]
Jen Weir Offline
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Registered: 02/05/16
Posts: 73
Loc: Corpus Christi TX
Thanks for all the great suggestions. Everyone on this forum is so helpful. I'm really glad I started posting here.
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#2511947 - 02/17/16 09:20 PM Re: Introduction and Question about recording video/audio [Re: Adam Malone]
Charles Cohen Offline
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Registered: 12/26/12
Posts: 2766
Loc: Richmond, BC, Canada
Originally Posted By Adam Malone
A quick and easy way to synchronize the audio & video: do a big loud clap before you begin playing. The spike should be easy to see on both the camera audio and audio recorder waveform.


A big light just came on over my head:

. . . That's why movie-makers use a "clapper board" (= "clapperboard") !!!!

Thank you!
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