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#2509530 - Yesterday at 04:34 PM CA67 vs MP11 - Thoughts? Experiences?
Strat Offline
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Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 671
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Some background. Ordered a VPC1 through a dealer but I got confirmation today that it'd take 3-4 *months* to get it so I'm expanding my search to include the MP11 and CA67.

I'll be using Ivory II with it.

What are the differences, touch-wise? Kawai's website states the CA67 has the better action, but what are your thoughts on that? True or not?

Don't be afraid to go into detail.


Edited by Strat (Yesterday at 04:42 PM)
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#2509584 - Yesterday at 07:19 PM Re: CA67 vs MP11 - Thoughts? Experiences? [Re: Strat]
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Registered: 09/06/07
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Hello Strat,

I recall a previous post in which your local dealer quoted a 6-8 week lead time to receive a VPC1, so I'm a little surprised that this has now been increased to 3-4 months. You do not state which dealer is handling your order, however if you have not done so already, I would be inclined to give Merriam Music a call - I gather that they are one of the best piano dealers in Toronto, and list the VPC1 on their website.

Regarding your query, let me begin by saying that assessing action quality is highly subjective. However generally speaking, in terms of realism, I would rate the actions in the following order: 'RM3 Grand II' (VPC1), 'Grand Feel' (MP11), 'Grand Feel II' (CA67). This topic is currently being discussed in another thread, however those who have played 'RM3 Grand II' vs 'Grand Feel' believe the longer pivot length of the latter action contributes to a slightly lighter key touch that some players prefer.

'Grand Feel' vs 'Grand Feel II' is perhaps a little harder to judge as the key pivot lengths are identical. However, I believe the latest 'Grand Feel II' action is the more realistic, thanks to the Ebony Touch key surfaces, graded counterweights, improved hammer shape, and optimised note-on timing. I outlined the main differences between these two actions in this post.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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#2509624 - Yesterday at 10:53 PM Re: CA67 vs MP11 - Thoughts? Experiences? [Re: Strat]
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Registered: 09/06/14
Posts: 30
Hi Strat,

I am well aware of the CAD/USD exchange rate issue, but I am wondering about the (non) option you mentioned earlier of purchasing a VPC-1 across the border and bringing it back across through CDN customs. Would this still happen to be less $$$ than an MP11 at your local dealer at this time? Presumably, the local price on the MP11 would also suffer from the exchange rate. You also would be paying the HST either way.

To try to answer your subject query, I have not tried a CA67 but do own an MP11. I have played on the MP10, CA63, CA65, CA95 and a few others from Kawai. In other words, I did compare the RM3 vs GF action, but have no experience with GF2. I know this does not answer your question directly, but as stated by Kawai James and others, the touch is definitely a little lighter on the GF (MP11) and I also think that this action also felt just a little more refined, for lack of a better word if this makes any sense. Do not get me wrong, both of those actions were a joy to play (for me) in their own way, and given the difference in key weight between them it was easy to tell right off the bat which one was which just by the feeling on the fingers This being said, I do get the impression that the differences between the GF (MP11) and GF2 (CA67) would be a lot more subtle than from RM3 to GF, likely making them more of a challenge to distinguish through feel alone.

This is all very subjective and your appreciation would be influenced no doubt by your previous keyboard experience.

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#2509627 - Yesterday at 11:06 PM Re: CA67 vs MP11 - Thoughts? Experiences? [Re: Strat]
Strat Offline
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Registered: 09/02/07
Posts: 671
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Unfortunately, the calculations bring me to slightly over 2900$ and that is without shipping and duty fees. So I'd realistically belooking at 3200$ or more.

Over here, it sells for 2655$ taxes included.. As you can see, the difference is staggering.

Since I will be playing exclusively with VSTs, I logically gravitated towards the VPC1, but I don't believe in chasing after something especially at the expensive cost (IMHO) these devices sell for. Perhaps it's not meant to be and I should instead pay more attention to Roland and Yamaha.

I've got some time on the weekend that I would have preferred to use to play but it looks like I can use it to peruse other models and see if anything strikes my fancy that wouldn't require waiting time or paying exorbitant amounts of money to obtain in a reasonable amount of time.

It's disappointing but in the end, life is short and I can't justify losing weeks and months of playing time due to some executive's bungling of the manufacturing production of this model.


Edited by Strat (Yesterday at 11:14 PM)
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