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#2509678 - 02/12/16 04:27 AM 2016 Piano Recommendations?
Jay015 Offline
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Registered: 06/10/15
Posts: 7
Loc: UK
Hi There,

I've tried quite a lot of piano libraries over the years and have disliked most of them. The last piano library that I purchased was the Galaxy Vintage D based on price and peoples recommendations on this forum last year. Its the only library I have which I actually find reasonably good for solo piano playing. Its well sampled and one of the strong points of the library is it's very playable. The Galaxy Vintage D is quite old now though.

So I was wondering if anybody had any suggestions on the next piano library I should purchase. I actually wouldn't mind a similar tone to a stage piano (something along the lines of the Fazioli tone) That sort of bright tone with nice string resonance.

Any recommendations/help would be greatly appreciated.

Jay




Edited by Jay015 (02/12/16 09:22 AM)

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#2509686 - 02/12/16 05:06 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
stamkorg Offline
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Registered: 01/11/14
Posts: 180
Hello,
If you like the Vintage D, you should try The Grandeur from Native instruments, it is made by the same people and in the same style.
Have you tried Pianoteq? Their last model, Model B, is very nice with a ringing tone and its playability is great.


Edited by stamkorg (02/12/16 08:17 AM)

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#2509727 - 02/12/16 08:23 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: stamkorg]
Jay015 Offline
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Registered: 06/10/15
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By stamkorg
Hello,
If you like the Vintage D, you should try The Grandeur from Native instruments, it is made by the same people and in the same style.
Have you tried Pianoteq? Their last model, Model B, is very nice with a ringing tone and its playability is great.


I've never liked Pianoteq

Thanks for "The Grandeur" suggestion though, listening to the demos that sounds reasonably rich/open which is close to what I wanted.

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#2509736 - 02/12/16 08:48 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
AZ_Astro Offline
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The new Garritan CFX concert grand is very nice! I have been playing it exclusively since purchasing it a few months ago.

Ivory II is also very good. Most people like the American Concert D. If you like the Steinway sound, go for that. The Garritan CFX has more of a singing tone.
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#2509750 - 02/12/16 09:24 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
Alexander Borro Offline
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Registered: 06/18/14
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By Jay015
Originally Posted By stamkorg
Hello,
If you like the Vintage D, you should try The Grandeur from Native instruments, it is made by the same people and in the same style.
Have you tried Pianoteq? Their last model, Model B, is very nice with a ringing tone and its playability is great.


I've never liked Pianoteq

Thanks for "The Grandeur" suggestion though, listening to the demos that sounds reasonably rich/open which is close to what I wanted.


The Grandeur is very nice but with a but, IMHO. I got it for a bargain on the black Friday deal for around 50 - 60 GBP seeing I had a voucher as well, and got all three Maverick, Grandeur, gentleman for that money. With that in mind it was a bargain and therefore I pulled the trigger.

I like the sample and how they are miced ( good fidelity sound too), I notice that particularly the difference with say ivory American D about octave above middle C especially where to my ears when I hear many of such products there is not such a nice full bodied tone, grandeur is good in that sense, but overall, it is not I like it more than Ivory American, just that both have their strength and weaknesses I suppose.

I agree with Stamkorg, in that sense compared to the new Steinway B from pianoteq if you want to hear those rings and string excitations and overtones in detail, the sympathetic resonance aspect of it, Grandeur doesn't strike me as anything special in that regard when it comes to that aspect of it, to me anyway ( beginner though, take it for what its worth ). YMMV.

Would you already owning the Vintage D be happy with the grandeur ? not sure if it would be worth at full price but again YMMV. The UI does have some nice features one can adjust to hone it. It is very resonant out of box but can be tamed down somewhat, versus Maverick smaller grand I like too in that bundle which is a more on the percussive side.

Half pedalling seem kinda .. well shall I say, more like on/off pedalling almost if that matters to you even when on. You'll not get that nuanced response from it that sense, much harder to control than pianoteq in that regard for that.

Overall a very nice product I am happy I got a that price and add a bit of variety to the stable after almost a year just using pteq and ivory, just to see if the grass is greener elsewhere while they could be tried for such a low price on black Friday deal, it was well worth that purchase for me

BUT

for me it seems like, yes, indeed some blades are greener, but some are not, but then there are so many one could say that about with some pros and cons I get the impression when these topics are discussed, considering balancing out playability, sound characteristics and all those features when all is said and done.


Edited by Alexander Borro (02/12/16 09:28 AM)
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#2509781 - 02/12/16 10:46 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
MacMacMac Offline
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Registered: 09/24/09
Posts: 4605
Loc: North Carolina
I agree with AB. The Grandeur has some good points, but it's not terribly special. I "fix" its deficiencies by mixing it with another piano. But it still suffers from honking bass notes, and the update does not fix that. If you have Vintage D, I don't see a reason to buy Grandeur. Vintage D is better. Don't fret that it's "old". It's still good at any age.

If you want a Fazioli ... Ivory 1 has a Fazioli that I like. Ivory 1 is out of production, so you might be able to find one on the cheap. (I presume that Ivory 2 has a Fazioli, too ... but I didn't see the need to spend $400, so I'm staying with Ivory 1.)

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#2509787 - 02/12/16 10:57 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
Frédéric L Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 600
Loc: France
Yes, Synthogy sell the Ivory 2 Fazioli at 160€ (plus the iLok dongle). Another bright piano is the Soniccouture Hammersmith which is fine too.
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#2509819 - 02/12/16 12:08 PM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
caliban4 Offline
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Registered: 12/19/15
Posts: 17
VILabs Ravenscroft will meet all the parameters you mentioned and more. I have the Grandeur/Maverick/Gentleman package from NI too but the Ravenscroft is much better from all angles, no pun intended.

I forgot to add that the VILabs team is also very responsive and know their stuff.


Edited by caliban4 (02/12/16 12:10 PM)

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#2509958 - 02/12/16 07:11 PM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
pold Offline
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Registered: 07/23/09
Posts: 94
I like the Garritan CFX, but the last one that really got me intrigued is the Una Corda, both the acoustic and the library, they defy any bigotry and any assumptions in the piano comunity.

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#2510124 - 02/13/16 11:12 AM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
Hendrik42 Offline
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Registered: 01/19/15
Posts: 649
Loc: Germany
Does anyone have an opinion on software pianos on iPad? I just played around with Pianoteq and while it is fun (the "ruined" grands are really horrid :-) I would not like to have to connect the laptop.
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#2510299 - 02/13/16 09:13 PM Re: 2016 Piano Recommendations? [Re: Jay015]
Jay015 Offline
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Registered: 06/10/15
Posts: 7
Loc: UK
Firstly I would just like to thank everyone for their help and for posting their opinions in this thread. Its difficult trying to come to a decision regarding a piano library purchase when most don't even offer a demo. Although I haven't purchased a library yet or come to a final decision I am closer.

I was considering Ivory ACD but I think that library could be too similar to what I already have. VILabs Ravenscroft and Garritan CFX seem closer to what I am looking for.

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