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#2510202 - Yesterday at 03:52 PM Need Recommendations
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Registered: 02/12/16
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Hi all, Recently decided to get into playing the piano, However I dont have the space or the money for an actual piano yet. Looking at keyboards currently and having trouble deciding. My Price range is anything under $300, since im new I figure Ill just learn on something pretty basic, that being said Im still looking for something with decent sound. I only care for the piano sounds in the keyboard. I dont care for all the other stuff.

I was looking at the Yamaha NP-V60 but was seeing some people are saying it sounds the same as the other ones (NP-31, NP-11). Can anyone tell me if this is true or not? Thanks for your help

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#2510216 - Yesterday at 04:44 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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With such a limited budget, I suggest you consider something secondhand that would allow you 88 keys, preferably weighted.
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#2510217 - Yesterday at 04:49 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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What country and state do you live in?
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#2510226 - Yesterday at 05:01 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: Doug M.]
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I've seen alot of suggestions about weighted keys. Are they really that important? Im brand new to piano btw

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#2510227 - Yesterday at 05:07 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: cathryn999]
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Im from the US, And I could Probably go up to $360 but that's about it for right now, I am okay with used, or open box if need be.

Like I said, Im a beginner so it doesnt have to be super fancy, Just something that plays nice and has good sound to it. I only care for the piano sound, well because its what im trying to learn.

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#2510228 - Yesterday at 05:09 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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Originally Posted By jimpeggins
I've seen alot of suggestions about weighted keys. Are they really that important? Im brand new to piano btw


Get a teacher who can give you one on one advice.

You can teach yourself music theory but it really helps to have another person standing next to you teaching you how to play.
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#2510232 - Yesterday at 05:26 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: Dave Horne]
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Yes, "weighted keys" are important, if you intend to play piano, rather than synth or organ.

I checked the GuitarCenter.com website -- there's a clearance on Casio PX-150, $400. It has 88 weighted keys, and a better sound generator than anything in the Yamaha "Piaggero" series.

It is also "feature-poor" compared to the NP-V30. I think it has rhythms, but I know it has a limited set of voices. But it will do you much better as a digital _piano_.

If you want to play piano, and you don't _need_ really light weight, I'd urge you to find a used DP with 88 weighted keys. Casio PX-150 and Yamaha P105 are recently-discontinued models with good reports here. You should be able to find one either within your budget, or with a bit of stretching.

I know -- this falls into "I don't care what you want me to compare for you, here's a whole different way to solve your problem and spend your money!"

If you _know_ you're going to replace your initial keyboard in a short time, and you're _really_ tight on cash, one of the other Piaggero models (e.g. NP-11) might be a bit less expensive than the V60. Only 61 keys, and basic features.

All these pianos are limited by their amps and speakers. A Piaggero playing through a good PA system, or good headphones, sounds way better than playing through its own loudspeakers.

PS -- edit -- GuitarCenter.com also has a used Yamaha NP31 (76-key Piaggero) for $200.



Edited by Charles Cohen (Yesterday at 05:34 PM)
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#2510282 - Yesterday at 08:24 PM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: Charles Cohen]
jimpeggins Offline
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Registered: 02/12/16
Posts: 4
Between the NP-11, NP- 31, NP-V60. Are there any difference in the sound of the piano? I plan on playing whatever one I decide on for about a year or two. Depending on how my progress goes I'll either stick with that keyboard or move up to something higher quality maybe around $600/$700. But that's in a few years time. Thank you for your help on this I really appreciate it, nobody else seems to want to help a beginner. Not even Yamaha lol

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#2510350 - Today at 04:07 AM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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Registered: 11/08/09
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Loc: UK
Forget about the NP11 and 31 if you are starting out and want to learn 'piano'. They are like toys, and your enthusiasm will not last "a few years time". The NPV60 is so-so. Charles is right a used PX150, P35, P105 may be within budget and is much much better to start on. If your goal is synth, or keyboard, OK, maybe start with the NP11/31.

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#2510356 - Today at 04:46 AM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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Registered: 01/19/15
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jimpeggins, I am a beginner and I have checked out keyboards (for travel, not for home), and as others have said: if you want to learn piano, get something with "weighted keys"/"hammer action". It is a whole different experience than a keyboard.

I'd get a used/refurbished Casio PX model or a Yamaha P35/45/105. And I'd rather save on latte's etc. for a few months than go with a keyboard. It is really a big difference.

Do not worry too much about sound. When you can afford them, you can get nice headphones or monitor speakers later. Also, if the keyboard comes with MIDI out (important, I think, but may cost extra), you can drive a software piano on your laptop or PC with it. For example, Pianoteq has a trial version that already models a better piano than most DPs.
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#2510372 - Today at 05:46 AM Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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Registered: 10/29/13
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"Also, if the keyboard comes with MIDI out". All digital piano have a MIDI out or a USB plug (more and more USB), and they are equivalent if you want to connect a PC with a virtual piano.
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#2510387 - 19 minutes 6 seconds ago Re: Need Recommendations [Re: jimpeggins]
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Registered: 02/27/12
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Loc: Finland
I have a Yamaha P45 which is something like 450 euros I think. It has a fairly fast action which isn't horrible compared to my reference (Kawai MP10, which I don't have anymore). Obviously the Kawai action is at a different class and the P45 is really light/fast to play compared to any acoustic I've tried. So I feel this is something that will last me maybe a year of playing after which I will upgrade to a better action.

It seems that at this price point you can get a decent(ish) action with a cheap plastic build and really poor speakers. The speaker issue can be solved by investing a bit in headphones. I don't hate the onboard sounds on the P45 but I also don't feel they are anything to write home about. Luckily the P45 has a USB midi out so I am using Pianoteq on my laptop, which makes it sound fantastic. The P45 also has no output for external speakers, so if you want a decent speaker sound out of it you need to use a computer and something like Pianoteq (any buy the speakers).

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