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#2553082 - 06/30/16 09:00 AM bass line and playing with a bassist...
iamanders Offline
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Hi!
At 25:00 in this piano blues tutorial video the pianist plays a specific bassline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vaNOComEfk

Do blues pianist really use this bassline that often? I mean, I never really hear it.
And how would you take this bassline into a group setting? That bass line could be played by the bassist but then you would have to do something else or played it together with the bassist.
How would you deal with this? Or do you just play the exact thing as you would if you were playing a solo?

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#2553138 - 06/30/16 12:35 PM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: iamanders]
Hidden son of Teddy Wilson Offline
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Originally Posted By iamanders

Do blues pianist really use this bassline that often? I mean, I never really hear it.


I think it's not the most used, but still fairly common. The most famous example (for me, at least) is Blueberry Hill but it's also used in traditional blues/boogie.

Originally Posted By iamanders

And how would you take this bassline into a group setting? That bass line could be played by the bassist but then you would have to do something else or played it together with the bassist.
How would you deal with this? Or do you just play the exact thing as you would if you were playing a solo?


I would either play unison with the bassist (if it's clear that you're both doing that bass line), or just play some right hand blues fills.

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#2553309 - 06/30/16 10:54 PM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: iamanders]
jjo Offline
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I'm a jazz player, not blues, but I'd never play a line like that with a bass player. In jazz, that's a pure bass line, to be used if you're playing solo piano.

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#2553312 - 06/30/16 11:08 PM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: iamanders]
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Just one more person's opinion here. First thing I thought of was "Blueberry Hill" too. The next thing that occurred to me was that this is a very good foundation pattern. If I were playing it I'd vary it if playing w/o a bass player. Using it as the main pattern sometimes and variations on it at others. Maybe some variation on the main pattern at turnarounds.

I would work on getting this pattern down solid. And also, look for some other good LH bass patterns. If you play around with this one, you might try inventing your own new pattern. It's fun trying to invent!

I haven't played that kind of blues in a band in many years. But doubling the bass player can enhance the groove. As long as the two of you are coordinated and in sync with each other.

As I said, one more person's opinion.

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#2553366 - 07/01/16 07:32 AM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: jjo]
dire tonic Offline
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Originally Posted By jjo
I'm a jazz player, not blues, but I'd never play a line like that with a bass player. In jazz, that's a pure bass line, to be used if you're playing solo piano.

It would be a mistake to evaluate this through the prism of jazz as though there's a right (jazz) and wrong (pop/blues) way of doing things.
Blueberry Hill is iconic as a groove, both the LH figure and the RH chord triplets are essential to keep the 'sound' intact - which is why it's not the best of grooves for solo piano: dropping the piano triplets leaves a hole in the sound. Sax or guitar solos would be fine.
The LH figure is often duplicated by almost everyone in the band; bass, guitar, baritone/tenor sax.

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#2553369 - 07/01/16 07:51 AM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: iamanders]
jjo Offline
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That's interesting that in a tune like this the piano and bass player double a line. I think it can be a good sound, but boy, you really would have to be in sync! In a jazz big band I play in the charts occasionally have the piano player double some of the bass line, but I usually ignore that because if I don't swing it just like the bass player, it really sucks.

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#2553371 - 07/01/16 07:59 AM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: iamanders]
dire tonic Offline
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Playing good 'time' is what R&B is all about. But you get the bass+piano thing in jazz also e.g. Horace Silver, Song for my Father. Unison between various instruments is a way of making a new sound, exploited in classical as much as non-classical.

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#2553382 - 07/01/16 09:09 AM Re: bass line and playing with a bassist... [Re: iamanders]
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Registered: 09/27/14
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Originally Posted By iamanders
Hi!
At 25:00 in this piano blues tutorial video the pianist plays a specific bassline: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vaNOComEfk

Do blues pianist really use this bassline that often? I mean, I never really hear it.
On my taste is missing in his left hand a short hitting on the second bit ( a octave up). Otherwise it turns out such:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0mWVVSkYHo

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