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#2558655 - 07/25/16 04:12 PM DP with good orchestral sounds?
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I already have a grand piano, so I've got the acoustic sound covered smile but I like to play a lot of movie scores, which tend to be orchestral in nature. Can you guys recommend a keyboard with decent touch, full 88-keys and most importantly good string sounds? Thanks!
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#2558658 - 07/25/16 04:21 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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For string sounds, you don't want a really good DP, but am 88-key MIDI controller, and use software sounds for the strings. You will achieve a much more realistic sound this way.

But in case you're looking for just playing string sounds (and not into recording them to sound realistic), then you may want to look at some less than 88-key options. They will have a better synth-like action which is much better to play string sounds on, and strings don't ever go as high or low as an 88-key provides.

Any of the good workstations would be sufficient for this, but personally I like the string sounds on Yamaha.

Do you have a budget? That would help narrow down the possibilities.
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#2558706 - 07/25/16 08:07 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Kurzweil boards are often praised for their orchestral sounds.

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#2558770 - 07/26/16 05:00 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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https://youtu.be/BCDjxLluQeE?t=8m28s

I thought this sounded pretty good.
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#2558819 - 07/26/16 09:25 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Sure, Kurzweil and Yamaha have spent a great deal of time making sure their instruments can cover plenty of orchestral timbres. The OP is going to have to suggest a budget. The Kurzweil Forte and Yamaha Montage are at the top of the price points.

A Kawai VPC-1 + MacBook Pro running MainStage is a decent idea as well for someone owning a grand piano.

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#2558930 - 07/26/16 08:29 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Thanks for the suggestions. Budget wise, I'm not really sure. I think something in the $1-2K range would work. I was leaning toward something piano-like in feel since that's what I'm already accustomed to. Built-in speakers would be nice, too.

That Montage on Youtube sounded great, but that's probably more than I need at this point. Hoping to find something of decent quality with strings that don't sound too cheesy. For example, I'm working on Roll Tide from Crimson Tide currently. It sounds nice on piano, but not quite as good as strings.
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#2558940 - 07/26/16 09:22 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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http://www.roland.ca/products/fa-08/

Great workstation with about 2100 very good quality sounds and a nice key action. If you don't find the exact sounds you're looking for, you go here:

http://axial.roland.com/category/fa-06_fa-08/

The expansions listed on that page are no charge and can be freely swapped in and out of your Workstation as the need arises.

(at least two of the free expansions have orchestral and string patches ready to go)

Comes in under 2K USD at $1799.00

Worth some research.

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#2558976 - 07/26/16 11:58 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Yamaha MOXF8 as well is worth a look in this price range.

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#2558989 - 07/27/16 01:05 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Yamaha/Kurzweil/Roland offer great workstations, but if you want high quality for value don't overlook the Casio Privia PX-560 or the PX-5S. Former is US$1,200, latter is US$1,000. They have a great online user community with wonderful string patches supplied by owners.

Also, for authentic non-cheesy string sounds your choice of amp/speaker is critical. If you get the Casio, spend the money you save on best speaker(s) you can afford.

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#2559029 - 07/27/16 08:14 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: moleskincrusher]
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Originally Posted By moleskincrusher
Yamaha/Kurzweil/Roland offer great workstations, but if you want high quality for value don't overlook the Casio Privia PX-560 or the PX-5S. Former is US$1,200, latter is US$1,000. They have a great online user community with wonderful string patches supplied by owners.

Also, for authentic non-cheesy string sounds your choice of amp/speaker is critical. If you get the Casio, spend the money you save on best speaker(s) you can afford.


Is there anything decent with built-in speakers? My piano already takes up a ton of space in the room, so I'm looking for something with the smallest footprint as possible.
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#2559118 - 07/27/16 01:52 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
Originally Posted By moleskincrusher
Yamaha/Kurzweil/Roland offer great workstations, but if you want high quality for value don't overlook the Casio Privia PX-560 or the PX-5S. Former is US$1,200, latter is US$1,000. They have a great online user community with wonderful string patches supplied by owners.

Also, for authentic non-cheesy string sounds your choice of amp/speaker is critical. If you get the Casio, spend the money you save on best speaker(s) you can afford.


Is there anything decent with built-in speakers? My piano already takes up a ton of space in the room, so I'm looking for something with the smallest footprint as possible.


OK, then you're looking at more digital pianos at the top end of your budget. They will have better piano actions, but again, this is not ideal for playing orchestral instruments.

Kawai ES8 as speakers and prices at about $2k. I've heard great things about the action on this, but I'm unfamiliar with the string sounds. Definitely worth checking out in your search.

The Casio PX-560 has built-in speakers, but I can't attest to the quality of their string sounds, but pricewise it's around $1200, so a good bargain if you like the sounds.

The Roland FP-80 has speakers and comes in at about $1800 USD. I'm guessing the sounds on this are better than Casio.
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#2559131 - 07/27/16 02:39 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave

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Is there anything decent with built-in speakers? My piano already takes up a ton of space in the room, so I'm looking for something with the smallest footprint as possible.


If you want 88 weighted keys, it's going to be big. The footprint of a "with-speakers" DP isn't much different from the footprint of a "no-speakers" DP.

Compare the Roland FP-80 (with speakers) to the RD-700 or RD-800 (or Casio PX5s), as examples.

If space really matters, get a 61-key, synth-action keyboard -- lots of Motif spin-offs (MOXF, MOX, MX, MM) are available to fit your budget. [That's not a recommendation, I don't know enough.]

As a side benefit, it'll be light enough to stack against a wall when you're not using it, if space is _really_ tight.
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#2559158 - 07/27/16 05:07 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Kawai James]
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Kurzweil boards are often praised for their orchestral sounds.

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#2559223 - 07/27/16 10:16 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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I checked out some boards at Guiter Center this evening (really the only place around me that has a decent selection). I played around with the Yamaha YGP-535. I thought the strings sounded pretty good, but it doesn't have realistic keys. They actually weren't bad, but they seemed to be just slightly narrower than regular piano keys. I didn't measure them, but it sure felt that way.

Other than that, they had some workstations/synths for $1000+. One of the Yamahas sounded nice, but it was $1699 plus I'd have to buy speakers. Not sure I want to blow that much cash just to play around with some string sounds. Wish I could try some Kurzweils, but they don't seem to carry them.
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#2559228 - 07/27/16 10:50 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Ok, I have a better idea of where you're coming from because you've shared a budget. Please take a look at the Casio PX-560 @ $1199.99. See if you can get your dealer to bundle the CS-67 stand and SP-33 triple pedal. You can use your existing piano bench with it. This instrument offers a great deal at a fantastic price point. But if you find that steep, you can similarly look for a bundle around the PX-360. $899.99.


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#2559238 - 07/27/16 11:53 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
I checked out some boards at Guiter Center this evening (really the only place around me that has a decent selection). I played around with the Yamaha YGP-535. I thought the strings sounded pretty good, but it doesn't have realistic keys. They actually weren't bad, but they seemed to be just slightly narrower than regular piano keys. I didn't measure them, but it sure felt that way.

Other than that, they had some workstations/synths for $1000+. One of the Yamahas sounded nice, but it was $1699 plus I'd have to buy speakers. Not sure I want to blow that much cash just to play around with some string sounds. Wish I could try some Kurzweils, but they don't seem to carry them.


If you have an iPad it might be worth checking out some of the music/sound creation apps available. If you're able to find a sound you like, you could hook the iPad up to any instrument with MIDI/USB connectors and use to extend the available sounds.

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#2559241 - 07/28/16 12:03 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By ElmerJFudd
Ok, I have a better idea of where you're coming from because you've shared a budget. Please take a look at the Casio PX-560 @ $1199.99. See if you can get your dealer to bundle the CS-67 stand and SP-33 triple pedal. You can use your existing piano bench with it. This instrument offers a great deal at a fantastic price point. But if you find that steep, you can similarly look for a bundle around the PX-360. $899.99.



I'll check that out, thanks.
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#2559287 - 07/28/16 05:59 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Without hijacking this thread, I would ask Morodiene to elaborate the 1st reply to this thread: playing good software strings using a 88-key MIDI controller. IMO this entails application of a software synth, which allows playing several instruments simultaneously.

Many hardware DPs support this. That is, the player holds a note of one instrument, hits a button for changing the instrument, and plays another note on another instrument; both notes sound simultaneously.

Do such software synths exist? What 88-key MIDI controllers support this?


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#2559308 - 07/28/16 09:04 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
I already have a grand piano, so I've got the acoustic sound covered smile but I like to play a lot of movie scores, which tend to be orchestral in nature. Can you guys recommend a keyboard with decent touch, full 88-keys and most importantly good string sounds? Thanks!


It's a shame you are restricting yourself to an 88 key weighted board, because the Yamaha Tyros 5 (76 note arranger keyboard) has the most advanced feature when it comes to orchestral sounds: Ensemble Voice
Tyros 5 home page
youtube demo
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#2559310 - 07/28/16 09:41 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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As a piano, I like my ES8. It has at least three different useful string patches (though no other orchestra sounds). They can be played alone or layered with the piano sounds. Most importantly for me, it has a good, piano-like weighted action, excellent piano samples, and some of the best on-board speakers in any stage piano -- 99% of what I use it for is as a stage piano. Strings are for fun.

The strings are well-executed, giving a different tone and attack depending on whether you strike the keys gently or firmly, which makes it possible to play them very musically. I expect other high-end keyboards do the same. But you don't get brass, woodwinds or other orchestral sounds: if you want those, you'd need to add a MIDI or USB add-on. If that's your focus, you may be better off with a MIDI controller with more synth-like keys, control wheels, and aftertouch (which allows you do non-piano-like things, such as adding tremolo to just the tail end of a long trumpet note).
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#2559311 - 07/28/16 09:42 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: AndrewGleibman]
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Originally Posted By AndrewGleibman
Without hijacking this thread, I would ask Morodiene to elaborate the 1st reply to this thread: playing good software strings using a 88-key MIDI controller. IMO this entails application of a software synth, which allows playing several instruments simultaneously.

Many hardware DPs support this. That is, the player holds a note of one instrument, hits a button for changing the instrument, and plays another note on another instrument; both notes sound simultaneously.

Do such software synths exist? What 88-key MIDI controllers support this?


With software synth, this can be done with the MIDI channel : play a note (with an instrument), change the channel, the note will continue even if you release the key because the note off will be send to the "wrong" channel. On some DP, changing the MIDI channel is easier than others. You will need a DAW (Reaper or other), to assign a different software synth to 2 different channel.
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#2559327 - 07/28/16 11:23 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Doug M.]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
I already have a grand piano, so I've got the acoustic sound covered smile but I like to play a lot of movie scores, which tend to be orchestral in nature. Can you guys recommend a keyboard with decent touch, full 88-keys and most importantly good string sounds? Thanks!


It's a shame you are restricting yourself to an 88 key weighted board, because the Yamaha Tyros 5 (76 note arranger keyboard) has the most advanced feature when it comes to orchestral sounds: Ensemble Voice
Tyros 5 home page
youtube demo


I think 76 keys would be OK, but that thing is like 5 grand frown

After playing around with some keyboards yesterday, I realized I don't necessarily need a totally realistic, weighted-key action. However, I'd like the keys to be the same size as real piano keys so it doesn't mess with my muscle memory.

As for sounds, orchestral is pretty broad. I mainly just want good string sounds. That Privia 560 looks nice, but I didn't see on in person. They had some lower end Privia DPs that just seemed so-so.

I don't care about the piano sound at all. Not sure if it's worth laying out so much money just to have some "fun" sounds.
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#2559329 - 07/28/16 11:26 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Frédéric L]
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Originally Posted By Frédéric L
Originally Posted By AndrewGleibman
Without hijacking this thread, I would ask Morodiene to elaborate the 1st reply to this thread: playing good software strings using a 88-key MIDI controller. IMO this entails application of a software synth, which allows playing several instruments simultaneously.

Many hardware DPs support this. That is, the player holds a note of one instrument, hits a button for changing the instrument, and plays another note on another instrument; both notes sound simultaneously.

Do such software synths exist? What 88-key MIDI controllers support this?


With software synth, this can be done with the MIDI channel : play a note (with an instrument), change the channel, the note will continue even if you release the key because the note off will be send to the "wrong" channel. On some DP, changing the MIDI channel is easier than others. You will need a DAW (Reaper or other), to assign a different software synth to 2 different channel.


Frederic is right, but there is also the question of what is the goal? Are you playing live and need to have seamlessness between pieces? Or are you working from home and creating music for the goal of recording? The solutions will vary depending on the answer, or if both, which is a priority.
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#2559331 - 07/28/16 11:32 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Originally Posted By Doug M.
Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
I already have a grand piano, so I've got the acoustic sound covered smile but I like to play a lot of movie scores, which tend to be orchestral in nature. Can you guys recommend a keyboard with decent touch, full 88-keys and most importantly good string sounds? Thanks!


It's a shame you are restricting yourself to an 88 key weighted board, because the Yamaha Tyros 5 (76 note arranger keyboard) has the most advanced feature when it comes to orchestral sounds: Ensemble Voice
Tyros 5 home page
youtube demo


I think 76 keys would be OK, but that thing is like 5 grand frown

After playing around with some keyboards yesterday, I realized I don't necessarily need a totally realistic, weighted-key action. However, I'd like the keys to be the same size as real piano keys so it doesn't mess with my muscle memory.

As for sounds, orchestral is pretty broad. I mainly just want good string sounds. That Privia 560 looks nice, but I didn't see on in person. They had some lower end Privia DPs that just seemed so-so.

I don't care about the piano sound at all. Not sure if it's worth laying out so much money just to have some "fun" sounds.


FWIW, the action of the lower end Casio Privias (PX-160) is the same as the PX-560, so the feel will be the same. I really think the Casio will be your best bet. However, it sounds as though you are looking to just tinker around a bit.

In that case, why not go with a cheaper low-end DP or even a keyboard that you can hook up to an iPad or laptop and play around with software sounds. For the most part, those sounds will sound better, and they can be pretty inexpensive (some are free).

About the concern that smaller keys will mess with your muscle memory, I've never had that problem going from my acoustic to my Yamaha MOX6. That's because I don't play the pieces from the acoustic on the keyboard. They're totally separate uses so my body doesn't get confused. The same will be the case for you: your'e using the keyboard for strings, not piano. Of course, if you play only on the keyboard and neglect the acoustic, then you'll lose your "chops" a bit, but playing both concurrently won't be a problem for you.
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#2559332 - 07/28/16 11:37 AM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Full-size, synth-action keyboards have the same key width, and octave span, as acoustic pianos.

Avoid anything with "mini-keys", or with "micro...." in its name. Those keys are narrower, shorter, and have substantially different touch.

If you already had a MIDI keyboard (weighted or not), you could get a Yamaha MX49. Connect it via MIDI to the big keyboard, and play it from there. Lots of sounds (the MX49 tone generator isn't limited to 49 keys), not terribly expensive (as "pro gear" goes).

If you don't need weighted keys, a 61-key "MIDI controller" keyboard and an MX49 (or just an MX61) might be cost-effective.

I have Pianoteq for piano, and "Lounge Lizard" for electric pianos, but haven't tried any of the "soft synth" packages for orchestral sounds. If Morodiene recommends that path, it's worth looking at.
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#2559360 - 07/28/16 02:08 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
Originally Posted By Doug M.
Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
I already have a grand piano, so I've got the acoustic sound covered smile but I like to play a lot of movie scores, which tend to be orchestral in nature. Can you guys recommend a keyboard with decent touch, full 88-keys and most importantly good string sounds? Thanks!


It's a shame you are restricting yourself to an 88 key weighted board, because the Yamaha Tyros 5 (76 note arranger keyboard) has the most advanced feature when it comes to orchestral sounds: Ensemble Voice
Tyros 5 home page
youtube demo


I think 76 keys would be OK, but that thing is like 5 grand frown

After playing around with some keyboards yesterday, I realized I don't necessarily need a totally realistic, weighted-key action. However, I'd like the keys to be the same size as real piano keys so it doesn't mess with my muscle memory.

As for sounds, orchestral is pretty broad. I mainly just want good string sounds. That Privia 560 looks nice, but I didn't see on in person. They had some lower end Privia DPs that just seemed so-so.

I don't care about the piano sound at all. Not sure if it's worth laying out so much money just to have some "fun" sounds.


FWIW, the action of the lower end Casio Privias (PX-160) is the same as the PX-560, so the feel will be the same. I really think the Casio will be your best bet. However, it sounds as though you are looking to just tinker around a bit.

In that case, why not go with a cheaper low-end DP or even a keyboard that you can hook up to an iPad or laptop and play around with software sounds. For the most part, those sounds will sound better, and they can be pretty inexpensive (some are free).

About the concern that smaller keys will mess with your muscle memory, I've never had that problem going from my acoustic to my Yamaha MOX6. That's because I don't play the pieces from the acoustic on the keyboard. They're totally separate uses so my body doesn't get confused. The same will be the case for you: your'e using the keyboard for strings, not piano. Of course, if you play only on the keyboard and neglect the acoustic, then you'll lose your "chops" a bit, but playing both concurrently won't be a problem for you.


Thanks, yeah, that is kind of my issue. I am just looking to tinker a bit. I have a lot of movie sheet music scored for piano, but most of the real recordings are strings and orchestra, so I thought it'd be a little more fun to play on a DP. Problem is, I'm not sure how much I want to spend on something that may just turn into a novelty.

I would be playing in my home just for my own enjoyment, and probably recording a little. I haven't really composed anything, but have always been interested. Could I record a song on the Casio and export it onto my computer into sheet music? Also, is the sound quality the same on the Casio 360 vs the 560?
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#2559374 - 07/28/16 02:45 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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What about the Kurzweil MPS20? I keep reading that a lot of their string sounds are good, but not sure about this particular model.
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#2559376 - 07/28/16 02:48 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
Originally Posted By Morodiene
Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
Originally Posted By Doug M.
Originally Posted By Radio.Octave
I already have a grand piano, so I've got the acoustic sound covered smile but I like to play a lot of movie scores, which tend to be orchestral in nature. Can you guys recommend a keyboard with decent touch, full 88-keys and most importantly good string sounds? Thanks!


It's a shame you are restricting yourself to an 88 key weighted board, because the Yamaha Tyros 5 (76 note arranger keyboard) has the most advanced feature when it comes to orchestral sounds: Ensemble Voice
Tyros 5 home page
youtube demo


I think 76 keys would be OK, but that thing is like 5 grand frown

After playing around with some keyboards yesterday, I realized I don't necessarily need a totally realistic, weighted-key action. However, I'd like the keys to be the same size as real piano keys so it doesn't mess with my muscle memory.

As for sounds, orchestral is pretty broad. I mainly just want good string sounds. That Privia 560 looks nice, but I didn't see on in person. They had some lower end Privia DPs that just seemed so-so.

I don't care about the piano sound at all. Not sure if it's worth laying out so much money just to have some "fun" sounds.


FWIW, the action of the lower end Casio Privias (PX-160) is the same as the PX-560, so the feel will be the same. I really think the Casio will be your best bet. However, it sounds as though you are looking to just tinker around a bit.

In that case, why not go with a cheaper low-end DP or even a keyboard that you can hook up to an iPad or laptop and play around with software sounds. For the most part, those sounds will sound better, and they can be pretty inexpensive (some are free).

About the concern that smaller keys will mess with your muscle memory, I've never had that problem going from my acoustic to my Yamaha MOX6. That's because I don't play the pieces from the acoustic on the keyboard. They're totally separate uses so my body doesn't get confused. The same will be the case for you: your'e using the keyboard for strings, not piano. Of course, if you play only on the keyboard and neglect the acoustic, then you'll lose your "chops" a bit, but playing both concurrently won't be a problem for you.


Thanks, yeah, that is kind of my issue. I am just looking to tinker a bit. I have a lot of movie sheet music scored for piano, but most of the real recordings are strings and orchestra, so I thought it'd be a little more fun to play on a DP. Problem is, I'm not sure how much I want to spend on something that may just turn into a novelty.

I would be playing in my home just for my own enjoyment, and probably recording a little. I haven't really composed anything, but have always been interested. Could I record a song on the Casio and export it onto my computer into sheet music? Also, is the sound quality the same on the Casio 360 vs the 560?


I believe the sound quality are the same between the 360 & 560. The main difference is that you have a lot more sounds on the 560 - but who knows if they are the sounds you would want? You get a lot higher polyphony on the 560 vs the 360 as well (256 vs 128), but again, that may be overkill. I see the 360 as a good in-home instrument, and the 560 as a powerful gigging DP for the money.

For recording compositions to a computer and making sheet music out of it, yes, any keyboard or DP that has MIDI can do this (USB MIDI is easier to set up). However, you would need Digital Audio Workstation software (DAW) like Logic, Cubase, Reaper, etc. to do this, and the results will be messy, requiring lots of clean-up. Sometimes the use of Quantization and step-recording (going note-by-note) makes for a cleaner score, but none of these programs are great for scoring music. Excellent for recording though.

If you use notation software like Finale or Sibelius, you will get pretty much the same results from recording in, but they are much better at making an official looking score. What I do is I input the notes via mouse and keyboard into Finale to create a score. Then when that's done, I record the final product in a DAW for a good recording of it.
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#2559384 - 07/28/16 03:32 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Thanks. The Casio does seem like a pretty good option. I'm wondering how its string samples compare to Kurzweil, though. The 360 might be enough for my purposes.
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#2559648 - 07/29/16 06:54 PM Re: DP with good orchestral sounds? [Re: Radio.Octave]
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Well, guys, I decided on the PX560. Hopefully, it works out. I figure I can play regular piano pieces on my Kawai, but when I want to play music better suited for other sounds (like strings), I will use the Casio. Best of both worlds =) Thanks for all the advice. I'll let ya know how it turns out.
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