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I think she is trying to write out swing counting. Jazz musicians write it out "straight" and then they "swing" the notes, but it is written out for non-jazz musicians with the approximate note values written in. I'm in classical so I'm not strong in this part.
It should still be written with the proper note values even if it's swung. In the sense that the note values add up, yes. In the sense that the note values reflect the rhythm, no, and for a reason - namely that the rhythm can't actually be reflected in notation - only approximated.
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I think she is trying to write out swing counting. Jazz musicians write it out "straight" and then they "swing" the notes, but it is written out for non-jazz musicians with the approximate note values written in. I'm in classical so I'm not strong in this part.
It should still be written with the proper note values even if it's swung. In the sense that the note values add up, yes. In the sense that the note values reflect the rhythm, no, and for a reason - namely that the rhythm can't actually be reflected in notation - only approximated. Yes, I meant that it doesn't add up. But my understanding is that swing is just a notational convenience. It CAN be notated by using triplet brackets all over the place, which would be a huge pain given the typical syncopation of jazz styles. Edit: Actually, it's possible to just re-write using a different time signature but for some reason that's not the accepted convention.
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I'm not sure it can be accurately written, but it's certainly not worth the effort. Try notating this timing https://vid.me/6rKT
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In case anyone is interested, I just started a coursera course called "The Blues: Understanding and Performing an American Art Form". It is very well put together (I'm on my 2nd day). On of the lessons in week 2 is about performing swing rhythm, featuring a trumpeter to demonstrate, and also the notation versus the practising of the notation. It goes straight to what we discussed here.
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I'm not sure it can be accurately written, but it's certainly not worth the effort. Try notating this timing https://vid.me/6rKT That sounds like 2 (in the piano) against 3 (a triplet-swung drum and bass). There may be more subtle stuff going on, though. Any kind of jazz musician is constantly playing with rhythm -- a little "push" here, a little "after the beat" there. One might as well say: . . . "Here, listen to this Chopin recording -- there's no way you . . . could write that down exactly." Old drum machines (maybe new ones, too) have a "swing knob" -- from 50% ("straight time") to 75% (dotted eighth / sixteenth). "Triplet swing" is 67%.
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