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I like the N2 a lot. I recently played the whole line of Avant Grands side by side and that was the one I best connected with. Still going back and forth if I want to spend the dough on it for the house. Part of me says - perfect ! The other half says - are you kidding ?! …too much for a digital piano ! Jeez with that money I could get a pair L' Acoustic 108Ps, a Flea 49 vocal mic, and probably have enough left over to pick up a pair of the new Senn HD800s. And drive them with the Little Labs Monotor amp. So for the time being, the CP5 is fine. I'd be the first one to pick an acoustic over any digital piano. But if there are noise constrictions, I prefer the AG to the silent systems on the Yamaha uprights that I've played.
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Well, if Dave Ferris is here Seriously, I've loved my N3 since the day I got it several years ago. I think of it as an instrument, and not a digital piano. I can only assume that the N2 has a big dose of the same goodness. Honestly, if I was on a desert island, and the N3 was all I could play, I'd be in paradise. It's got its own unique character which raises it from the swamp of DPs into the realm of a real instrument. I'd put it ahead of my grey market Yamaha G3.
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Dave, will you still choose the N2 over a silent if you are allowed to play without headphones say half of the time?
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If I had that much budget, I'd rent a soundproof room or convert the current room into soundproof studio and buy an acoustic upright (or grand if the budget allows).
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If I had that much budget, I'd rent a soundproof room or convert the current room into soundproof studio and buy an acoustic upright (or grand if the budget allows). I was just about to write the same
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If I had that much budget, I'd rent a soundproof room or convert the current room into soundproof studio and buy an acoustic upright (or grand if the budget allows). I was just about to write the same This glibly ignores many of the other reasons people do not consider owning an acoustic.
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Thx again to everyone for all the replies. End of day soundproofing is clearly not an option. Apartment living is not conducive for either large pieces of furniture or large musical instruments since building a soundproof room (where would it be is the first question - living room or bedroom) must be taken down eventually and therefore the hassle of construction vs deconstruction, plus the cost, makes this idea not feasible. The best and of course expensive option is the best digital one can buy and based on the replies so far on this thread, the N2 seems to be the path forward. The N3 is also a possibility but the size is just too large.
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Avantgrands have surely the best action so far, but one must consider they're around double the cost of any other top brand - top range dp, wich still retains a good action, though coupled with a good sound generation, on which Ag's are a bit old fashioned, if just for a matter of time and technology.
So an Ag to me fits the bill just on a sir Barenboim in a flat - no compromise - no budget - don't care about tone - kind of buyer.
But then again, mr. Barenboim is not going to tinker with Pianoteq, so in the end the tone might turn out to be a problem sooner or later. And having just spent 10-15k grands, it won't be easy to sell and "upgrade" to an actually less expensive digital ( because they all are ). Unless Yamaha eventually does upgrade these stunning hybrids.
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Having tested a N1 (and top range DP), I plan to buy one N1... And will surely use it with some of my virtual pianos. Hopefully, Line-in plugs will enable me to use the N1 speakers.
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Having tested a N1 (and top range DP), I plan to buy one N1... And will surely use it with some of my virtual pianos. Hopefully, Line-in plugs will enable me to use the N1 speakers. I suppose this is a common use, but not everybody's piece of cake. I am bugged to have to switch my piano on, for instance.
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I suppose this is a common use, but not everybody's piece of cake. I am bugged to have to switch my piano on, for instance. Suggestion to manufacturers: Include an option to switch the piano on by pressing the piano keys (or the pedals) themselves. Could be combined with Auto-Power-Off.
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... or simply if you give it a good kicking! SCNR
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Dave, will you still choose the N2 over a silent if you are allowed to play without headphones say half of the time? "Half the time" is still a lot, imo, to be wearing phones. To me that pretty much falls under the category of *noise restrictions*. I've spent many, many hours over the years wearing phones in the studio for work. For practicing piano I'd rather not have to wear them that much if possible. The thing I like about the AG is you can turn it way down, dig in and still get a pretty darn good approximation of practicing on a grand. It's been some time since I played the silent system but I recall it's either *on or off*….correct me if I'm wrong. If I wasn't already fortunate enough to have the greatest piano (arguably) in the world, in a fairly soundproofed, detached studio from the house, and was able to practice whatever and whenever I wanted - I might not be as sold on the AG as my main practice piano. As it is though with the N2 - I'd be saving the expense from keeping another piano in tune and voiced. As well as extending the life of the hammers on my piano for high repetitious practicing. For such workman -like exercises as transposing jazz lines and voicings to all 12 keys
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I suppose this is a common use, but not everybody's piece of cake. I am bugged to have to switch my piano on, for instance. Suggestion to manufacturers: Include an option to switch the piano on by pressing the piano keys (or the pedals) themselves. Could be combined with Auto-Power-Off. Well, in my case it's not about having to push the button, as much as waiting having to wait for the boot up process. It's just a couple of seconds in my case, but enough to induce me to leave it on. But that's ot.
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Was originally in much the same position as the OP, and I went for the N2. If I had my choice again, and I was going to be playing through headphones 95% of the time, I'd also look seriously at the N1 + VST set-up (maybe Synthogy Italian Grand). I'd be giving up the TRS and ivorite keys, but I'd gain something very important to my repertoire - a much better sustain and una corde function. It's very difficult to play the N2 pp since the una corde pedal has virtually no effect, and using the sustain pedal in the middle of a note changes the volume suddenly. If these pedal constraints aren't that important, then the N2 is probably the best choice.
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I suppose this is a common use, but not everybody's piece of cake. I am bugged to have to switch my piano on, for instance.
Ah yes, first world problems. :P
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Having tested a N1 (and top range DP), I plan to buy one N1... And will surely use it with some of my virtual pianos. Hopefully, Line-in plugs will enable me to use the N1 speakers. You should research first of all if there is still a 'problem' of a noise gate on line in that cuts off pp sound or lower. This used to be a reported problem with the N1 AFAIR. On the NU1 Yamaha fixed this by making the noise gate a configurable on/off option.
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I suppose this is a common use, but not everybody's piece of cake. I am bugged to have to switch my piano on, for instance. Suggestion to manufacturers: Include an option to switch the piano on by pressing the piano keys (or the pedals) themselves. Could be combined with Auto-Power-Off. Or just open the lid on your Roland (603/605/LX-7/17) and she's powered up in about 4 seconds. That's a cool idea though. I know that if the Rolands are in the power down countdown, merely pressing a key will wake them back up. This is another level of that idea. Jay
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Suggestion to manufacturers: Include an option to switch the piano on by pressing the piano keys (or the pedals) themselves. Could be combined with Auto-Power-Off.
+1 Nice idea!
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You should research first of all if there is still a 'problem' of a noise gate on line in that cuts off pp sound or lower. This used to be a reported problem with the N1 AFAIR. On the NU1 Yamaha fixed this by making the noise gate a configurable on/off option.
Thanks for the advice. Having searched "Yamaha N1 noise gate", I have found 2 forum threads from 2014 about it (pianoworld and a French forum)... It seems a nasty default and I could change my mind. It could be strange to have the decay of a note promptly switched off because of this "feature".
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