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#2569752 - 09/09/16 06:07 AM Roland FP-90
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#2569805 - 09/09/16 09:25 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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#2569807 - 09/09/16 09:31 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Looks like they might have dropped the side speakers that were on the FP80







Edited by Marko in Boston (09/09/16 09:33 AM)
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#2569835 - 09/09/16 11:41 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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The screen looks smaller on the new one.
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#2569981 - 09/09/16 09:57 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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FP-90 SPECS: https://www.roland.com/us/products/fp-90/specifications/
Features: https://www.roland.com/us/products/fp-90/features/




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#2569993 - 09/09/16 11:26 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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It looks like Roland is rolling out its fully modeled engine to more and more models. From an innovation perspective, that's great to see. I love the "limitless" polyphony of the piano tones.
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#2569994 - 09/09/16 11:53 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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The modelled accordion and sax instruments for some reason seem more impressive -- probably because we've been seeing the incremental improvements on the DP side in what seems like slow motion.
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#2570002 - 09/10/16 01:15 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Jack says the attacks of the FP90 are sampled - I thought Roland had moved to full modelling for SN now. I'm confused. In any case it sounds great.

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#2570005 - 09/10/16 01:32 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Hope it gets a price reduciton in a year, but the key action seems quite good.

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#2570008 - 09/10/16 01:50 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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I'm just going with the marketing nomenclature. I think Jay mentioned that the lx17 and lx7 are fully modeled with no samples, and they are the only ones that say limitless polyphony (which makes sense). But now the fp90 and new gp also have limitless piano polyphony. But they are limitless at stacking samples (but only for piano tones)? That doesn't sound quite right (but what do I know).
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#2570014 - 09/10/16 02:55 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: sullivang]
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Originally Posted By sullivang
Jack says the attacks of the FP90 are sampled - I thought Roland had moved to full modelling for SN now. I'm confused.


Yeah, I got confused there for a minute too. Then I looked up the website again and it is quite clear that they are using the new, fully modeled sound engine, because there is unlimited polyphony. And then if you go to bettermusic in Australia, they have a video and also explain that its the new PHA-50 action and the new, fully modeled supernatural.

Whoever from Roland supported Jack did a crap job. He explains the previous generation sound engine (samples + modeling) for minutes and calls it new. They need to record that one more time...

I assume that someone in Roland marketing now wishes very much they could fully model piano review people, too :-)

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#2570026 - 09/10/16 03:58 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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FP-90 is a terrific piano spec-wise and I'm sure it's a great playing one too. Kudos to Roland for bringing modeling to mainstream price. It's now Yamaha and Kawai turn.


Edited by CyberGene (09/10/16 04:00 AM)
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#2570027 - 09/10/16 04:01 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Yes, I'm impressed. Ticks a lot of boxes.

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#2570032 - 09/10/16 04:11 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Thanks Hendrik.

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#2570042 - 09/10/16 05:07 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Thanks for all the info guys (new to the forum :-))...I'm told it won't be available to purchase until December (I'm in Ireland)......is there anyway of getting one sooner would ye know??
Thanks

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#2570057 - 09/10/16 06:48 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Looks like Jack had Bolton and McDonald on his mind too much.
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#2570067 - 09/10/16 07:25 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Gombessa]
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Originally Posted By Gombessa
I'm just going with the marketing nomenclature. I think Jay mentioned that the lx17 and lx7 are fully modeled with no samples, and they are the only ones that say limitless polyphony (which makes sense).


So are the HP 603 and 605. Those pianos are identical to the lx models in action and sound engine, the price differential is for more/better speakers and amps and prettier cabinets.

And in all of these the limitless polyphony only applies to the SN piano sounds, the extras are 384.

The fp 90 appears to be identical to those pianos just in a portable form.

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#2570114 - 09/10/16 10:01 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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It's more than obvious that FP-90 is a vey competitive contestant amongst Yamaha and Kawai stage pianos or controller keyboards.

In addition to PHA-50 keys, I'd really rate how light it is (24kg) compared to, say, VPC1 (30kg). Add SuperNatual piano sound, FP-90 is very appealing.

The only downside is the casing. VPC1 or Sutidiologic keys still look sexier.

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#2570115 - 09/10/16 10:04 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Better sound spec and new keyboard compared to the FP80 with pricing between the ES8 and CP4. It's showing already as pre-order on quite a few UK sites, it'll be interesting to try one when they land.


Edited by spanishbuddha (09/10/16 10:05 AM)

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#2570130 - 09/10/16 11:15 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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FYI Kraft may be $1,999, but musician's friend has it for $1,799. USD

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#2570133 - 09/10/16 11:23 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: TonyBanks]
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Originally Posted By TonyBanks
FYI Kraft may be $1,999, but musician's friend has it for $1,799. USD


Good catch. Same at GC

Black http://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland/FP-90-Digital-Piano-Black.gc
White http://www.guitarcenter.com/Roland/FP-90-Digital-Piano-White.gc
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#2570156 - 09/10/16 12:10 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Honestly this for me was the most exciting entry that they made. With them putting the full modeled sound and full PHA-50 keyboard that the LX-17 it becomes a fairly easy decision for me to buy this. I really want an Avant Grand at some point but space and not going into debt to buy something comes into play. With the FP-90 I can get an excellent practice piano that I can use right now for a few years, buy the Avant Grand (wait until they update it - even if it's five years) and then move the Roland into my studio. I currently am using a Kawai MP-9500 and it's time for a new action (14 years old) as playing quick passages on it is not easy and when playing substantial classical lit. with a lot of pedal, notes, etc. there is noticeable voice-stealing.

I would definitely look at a stage-type piano Kawai if it had the GFII in it (in my mind the difference between GF and GFII is a fairly good amount) to replace my current Kawai....because overall I like the Kawai action but that doesn't exist right now and buying a cabinet model like the CA67 doesn't appeal to me too much because of the bulk and honestly I just haven't found any upright digitals where the built in sound system blows me away (I have played the CA67) except for the Avant Grand N2....impressive sound system.

I just wanted to elaborate to perhaps help anyone else going through the same thought process - I've spent a lot of time thinking about this as many of you have. So it is likely I will get the Roland - unless Kawai soon were to release an MP12. I think it is quite an amazing buy at $1799 actually....

Blessings all and thanks to Roland for a unique and fun show! I had fun tuning in throughout the day seeing the different performances and products as they unfolded - loved the accordion by the way....want one of those!

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#2570197 - 09/10/16 03:20 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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There it is, Roland is in full competition with the Kawai ES8, i dont think any others can come close to these two in this price range...

I played the hp 605 a few weeks ago, and sound and keybed are sensational.. Better then the ES8 in my opinion..
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#2570207 - 09/10/16 04:12 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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looks great- might be my next piano - are the shipping dates in UK of December correct ? its always one of those months ...

only thing is FP-30 is 1/3rd the price ...

although different form factor - wonder how the action compares to the similarly priced Kawai CA17

and I guess another 350 or so and you get a MP11 ...

decisions decisions - it does seem to tick most of the boxes

not sure of looks - but don't really care about looks smile

I watched the Andertons video what did others think of the strings sounds ?


Edited by Buckster (09/10/16 04:18 PM)

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#2570223 - 09/10/16 05:19 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By TonyBanks
FYI Kraft may be $1,999, but musician's friend has it for $1,799. USD


Good catch. Same at GC



Guitar Center owns Musicians Friend, so no surprise there. Only question now is, what is the true MAP? One of them is making a mistake.

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#2570248 - 09/10/16 07:06 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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- forgive my ignorance -

I'm curious to understand how Roland's onboard modeled sounds compare to midi-controlled modeled sounds. I don't mean the timbre differences, I mean to ask if the onboard nature grants greater "connection" to the keyboard because those sounds aren't necessarily driven by MIDI and therefore aren't subject to MIDI interface limitations (velocity gradations for example) found in a VPC-1 per se.

Is such a difference merely in the realm of theory? Or have people felt a tangible difference?

Thanks,

Jack

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#2570274 - 09/10/16 09:34 PM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: TonyBanks]
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Originally Posted By TonyBanks
Only question now is, what is the true MAP? One of them is making a mistake.


Manufacturer Suggest Retail Price (MSRP) vs Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) can vary. But I think it's safe to say in this case $1,799US MAP (a.k.a street price)
Might even find 5-15% off the $1,799 if you dig deep with some vendors.
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#2570298 - 09/11/16 12:40 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Any opinions on how this action compares to the Kawai ES8 and the VPC1 actions?

This Roland looks very exciting.
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#2570307 - 09/11/16 01:53 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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Far better than the ES8, I would say better or on pair with VPC1.

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#2570323 - 09/11/16 04:02 AM Re: Roland FP-90 [Re: brooster]
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They dropped the accompaniment engine/rythm section. Weird decision as the ES8 does have it, would've been a no brainer otherwise.

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