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SOUND GENERATORPiano SoundPiano Sound: SuperNATURAL Piano ModelingMax. PolyphonyPiano: Limitless (solo playing using "Concert Piano, Ballad Piano, Mellow Piano, and Bright Piano" tones) Other: 384TonesPiano: 15 tones E.Piano: 16 tones Strings: 11 tones Organ: 15 tones Pad: 15 tones Other: 278 tones (including 8 drum sets, 1 SFX set) KEYBOARD Keyboard PHA-50 Keyboard: Wood and Plastic Hybrid Structure, with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel (88 keys)Touch SensitivityKey Touch: 100 types, fixed touch Hammer ResponseKeyboard ModesWhole Dual Split (split point adjustable)SPEAKER SYSTEMSpeakersSpeakers: 8 x 12 cm (3-3/16 x 4-3/4 inches) x 2 (with speaker box) Dome Tweeters: 2.5 cm (1 inches) x 2HEADPHONESHeadphonescapable of Headphones 3D AmbienceTUNING, VOICINGMaster Tuning415.3–466.2 Hz (adjustable in increments of 0.1 Hz)Temperament10 types (Equal, Just Major, Just Minor, Pythagorean, Kirnberger I, Kirnberger II, Kirnberger III, Meantone, Werckmeister, Arabic), selectable temperament keyEffectsAmbience Equalizer (3-band digital equalizer) Only for organ tones: Rotary Speaker Effect Only for E.Piano tones: Modulation SpeedPiano Designer (Only for "Concert Piano, Ballad Piano, Mellow Piano, and Bright Piano" tones)Lid Key Off Noise Hammer Noise Duplex Scale Full Scale String Resonance Damper Resonance Key Off Resonance Cabinet Resonance Soundboard Type Damper Noise Single Note Tuning Single Note Volume Single Note CharacterRated Power Output25 W x 2 5 W x 2Volume Level (SPL)107 dB (This value was measured according to the method that is based on Roland's technical standard.)BLUETOOTHBluetoothAudio: Bluetooth Ver. 3.0 (Supports SCMS-T content protection) MIDI, Turning music sheet: Bluetooth Ver. 4.0MICEffectsCompressor Doubling EchoControlsMic Gain knob Mic Volume sliderDATA PLAYBACKPlayable SoftwareStandard MIDI Files (Format 0, 1) Audio File (WAV, 44.1 kHz, 16-bit linear format, MP3, 44.1kHz, 64kbps–320kbps, require USB Flash Memory)Internal SongsTotal 10 songsRECORDERRecordable SoftwareStandard MIDI Files (Format 0, Approx. 70,000 notes memory) Audio File (WAV, 44.1 kHz, 16-bit linear format, require USB Flash Memory)CONVENIENT FUNCTIONSConvenient Functions Metronome (adjustable Tempo/Beat/Down beat/Pattern/Volume/Tone) Transpose (Keyboard/Song: in semitones) Registration (30 registrations, capable of pedal shift) Registration Set Tone Demo Auto Off OTHER Display Graphic LCD 132 x 32 dots Controls Volume slider Equalizer sliders (Low/Mid/High) Part sliders (Lower/Upper) Song Vol. slider Speaker switch Connectors DC In jack Pedal (Damper/R, Sostenuto/C *1, Soft/L *1) jacks: TRS 1/4-inch phone type Input jacks: Stereo miniature phone type Output (L/Mono, R) jacks: 1/4-inch phone type Mic Input jack: 1/4-inch phone type MIDI (Out/In) connectors USB Computer port: USB B type USB Memory port: USB A type Phones jack x 2: Stereo miniature phone type, Stereo 1/4-inch phone type *1: Assignable Power Supply AC adaptor Power Consumption 12 W Accessories Owner's Manual Leaflet "USING THE UNIT SAFELY" AC adaptor Power cord Music rest Damper pedal (DP-10; capable of continuous detection) Option (sold separately) Dedicated stand: KSC-90 Dedicated pedal board: KPD-90 Keyboard stand: KS-G8B, KS-18Z, KS-12 Pedal unit: RPU-3 Damper pedal: DP series Pedal switch: DP-2 (*2) Expression pedal: EV-5 USB Flash Memory
*2 Cannot use for Damper/R. SIZE (DETACHED MUSIC REST) Width 1,340 mm 52-13/16 inches Depth 390 mm 15-3/8 inches Height 136 mm 5-3/8 inches SIZE (FP-90 WITH KSC-90 AND MUSIC REST) Width 1,340 mm 52-13/16 inches Depth 418 mm 16-1/2 inches Height 932 mm 36-3/4 inches WEIGHT (FP-90 WITH MUSIC REST) Weight 23.6 kg 52 lbs. 1 oz. WEIGHT (FP-90 WITH KSC-90, KPD-90, AND MUSIC REST) Weight 37.8 kg 83 lbs. 6 oz.[color:#3333FF][/color]
I'm just going with the marketing nomenclature. I think Jay mentioned that the lx17 and lx7 are fully modeled with no samples, and they are the only ones that say limitless polyphony (which makes sense). But now the fp90 and new gp also have limitless piano polyphony. But they are limitless at stacking samples (but only for piano tones)? That doesn't sound quite right (but what do I know).
Jack says the attacks of the FP90 are sampled - I thought Roland had moved to full modelling for SN now. I'm confused.
Yeah, I got confused there for a minute too. Then I looked up the website again and it is quite clear that they are using the new, fully modeled sound engine, because there is unlimited polyphony. And then if you go to bettermusic in Australia, they have a video and also explain that its the new PHA-50 action and the new, fully modeled supernatural.
Whoever from Roland supported Jack did a crap job. He explains the previous generation sound engine (samples + modeling) for minutes and calls it new. They need to record that one more time...
I assume that someone in Roland marketing now wishes very much they could fully model piano review people, too :-)
I'm just going with the marketing nomenclature. I think Jay mentioned that the lx17 and lx7 are fully modeled with no samples, and they are the only ones that say limitless polyphony (which makes sense).
So are the HP 603 and 605. Those pianos are identical to the lx models in action and sound engine, the price differential is for more/better speakers and amps and prettier cabinets.
And in all of these the limitless polyphony only applies to the SN piano sounds, the extras are 384.
The fp 90 appears to be identical to those pianos just in a portable form.
Honestly this for me was the most exciting entry that they made. With them putting the full modeled sound and full PHA-50 keyboard that the LX-17 it becomes a fairly easy decision for me to buy this. I really want an Avant Grand at some point but space and not going into debt to buy something comes into play. With the FP-90 I can get an excellent practice piano that I can use right now for a few years, buy the Avant Grand (wait until they update it - even if it's five years) and then move the Roland into my studio. I currently am using a Kawai MP-9500 and it's time for a new action (14 years old) as playing quick passages on it is not easy and when playing substantial classical lit. with a lot of pedal, notes, etc. there is noticeable voice-stealing.
I would definitely look at a stage-type piano Kawai if it had the GFII in it (in my mind the difference between GF and GFII is a fairly good amount) to replace my current Kawai....because overall I like the Kawai action but that doesn't exist right now and buying a cabinet model like the CA67 doesn't appeal to me too much because of the bulk and honestly I just haven't found any upright digitals where the built in sound system blows me away (I have played the CA67) except for the Avant Grand N2....impressive sound system.
I just wanted to elaborate to perhaps help anyone else going through the same thought process - I've spent a lot of time thinking about this as many of you have. So it is likely I will get the Roland - unless Kawai soon were to release an MP12. I think it is quite an amazing buy at $1799 actually....
Blessings all and thanks to Roland for a unique and fun show! I had fun tuning in throughout the day seeing the different performances and products as they unfolded - loved the accordion by the way....want one of those!
I'm curious to understand how Roland's onboard modeled sounds compare to midi-controlled modeled sounds. I don't mean the timbre differences, I mean to ask if the onboard nature grants greater "connection" to the keyboard because those sounds aren't necessarily driven by MIDI and therefore aren't subject to MIDI interface limitations (velocity gradations for example) found in a VPC-1 per se.
Is such a difference merely in the realm of theory? Or have people felt a tangible difference?
Only question now is, what is the true MAP? One of them is making a mistake.
Manufacturer Suggest Retail Price (MSRP) vs Minimum Advertised Price (MAP) can vary. But I think it's safe to say in this case $1,799US MAP (a.k.a street price) Might even find 5-15% off the $1,799 if you dig deep with some vendors.