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#259748 - 09/22/07 08:02 PM The first piano search expands then narrows.
Paul C Offline
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Registered: 09/03/07
Posts: 34
Loc: Virginia
I thought I had limited my choice to the Kawai K3/k5 and Yamaha U1 when I happened to go into a Charles Walter dealer and saw their 45" Studio piano. The CW is about $1500 less than the U-1. Any good feedback on the Charles Walter? This will be my son's first piano, he is 7 and really loves to play. I know with the Walter dealer they give 100% credit within 5 years if I decide to upgrade to a small grand down the road, but for now the wife will only let me get a decent upright for the kid.
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#259749 - 09/22/07 08:07 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
packa Offline
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Do a search here for Walter and I think you will find that they are, in general, very highly regarded. I owned a 45" black studio upright before my current grand and I loved it. If my budget would have permitted, I would have kept it even with the grand acquisition. At the time I bought it (about 3 years ago now), I compared it to Yamaha and Kawai (and others) and, for me, there was no contest for its rich, full sound.
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#259750 - 09/22/07 08:31 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
Rod Verhnjak Offline
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Sounds like a good price, being below the Yamaha.

Larry Fine has the Walter 1500 priced at $1,450.oo more than the Yamaha U1.

The Walters make great pianos.

Do check which action they are offering you. That could be the price difference.
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#259751 - 09/22/07 08:52 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
Paul C Offline
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Loc: Virginia
I am lookin at the 1500 in Studio Walnut $5900 delivered. Don't know about the action. The U-1 was $6749 delivered in Ebony. I guess that would be a $800 difference not $1400. I heard that I could probably find the U-1 for closer to $6200 if I pushed. Not sure about the K3 price yet. Im more intersted in the better sounding piano with decent looks than a great looking piano that only sounds so-so
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#259752 - 09/23/07 12:40 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
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Registered: 07/28/07
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Another thing to consider is the Kawai UST-9. It's basically the institutional version of the K3, with a simplified case, same insides, including the Millenium-III action. I actually prefer the simpler styling of this case, and it's a bit cheaper. When I was looking for an upright it was my first choice. The cherry version is particularly good looking.
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#259753 - 09/23/07 02:11 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
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I have a CW1500 upright and love it. (Bought in in Virginia last year.) Picked it over Yamaha and Kawai pianos because of its richer tone. The price seems fair, if not very good.

As for the action, in case you are not aware, CW had used a Langer (sp?) action in its uprights, but about a year or so ago switched to Renner. The Renner will cost you a bit more, at least that is my understanding. Hopefully someone will correct me if I'm mistaken.
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#259754 - 09/23/07 02:28 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
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The Ust 9 would appear to be related to the Ust-8 not the K3. What is the price?

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#259755 - 09/23/07 03:29 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
packa Offline
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Loc: Dallas, TX
 Quote:
Originally posted by Terra-Pin:
The price seems fair, if not very good.[/b]
In my part of the country, if the piano is a new, Renner model (check the serial number), that price is unbelievably good.
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#259756 - 09/23/07 06:55 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
Rod Verhnjak Offline
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Terra-pin,

You are correct regarding the Langer actions being used in the older vertical Walter models. The Walters owned that European action company and have since sold it. Now they use action parts from Renner with Abel hammers. They also offer an action in the verticals that the parts are made in China to their specification. They call it a Walter action. A Walter vertical with the Walter action is around $1,000.00 less do to the cost of the parts.

The price quoted in pdcheeks post, is as packa stated. Unbelievably good.

We hear in Canada that the U.S. economy is slow. Are piano dealers in the U.S. struggling and selling pianos below the norm? I ask because at that price a dealer can not be profitable.

For those that do not follow the Canadian/U.S. currency fluctionations. Our dollar is now at par with the U.S. It was only a few years ago "2002" for every dollar I spent in the U.S. it cost me $1.52 I am now able to sell U.S. made pianos in Canada for less money than I did 5 years ago.
We still sell them for more money that they sell for in the U.S. due to our extra expenses with transportation, border brokerage costs and a few other charges we incur bringing pianos into Canada.

Time are changing here locally, prices are coming down for Canadians!!!!
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#259757 - 09/23/07 01:48 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
SCCDoug Offline
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Registered: 11/04/05
Posts: 663
Loc: Canada
Rod

Selling American manufactured pianos is one thing, but how about other countries of origin. Using your 2002 benchmark, comparing 5 years today, to now, one CDN dollar would buy:

2002 - .64 Euros 2007 - .77 Euros
2002 - 5.22 Yuan 2007 - 7.50 Yuan
2002 - 78 Yen 2007 - 115 Yen

I hope your last statement is true for every brand.
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#259758 - 09/23/07 03:04 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
birchy Offline
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Registered: 05/29/06
Posts: 323
Loc: Vancouver
The US dollar is dropping in relation to pretty much every other currency in the world - perhaps due to the fact that the US govt is printing a trillion dollars of new money each year.

Canadians tend to measure the health of the loonie (Cdn dollar) against the US dollar exclusively, though charting its relationship to other currencies is not quite so heart-fluttering...

As far as the cost in Cdn dollar of pianos, the rise in commodity prices (which is reflected in rising cost of goods that use steel, copper etc. such as pianos) is not just because of demand from China and India (though this is important). It is also because the currency in which those commodity prices are quoted is the declining US dollar.

So unless dealers in Canada are buying pianos from around the world exclusively in US dollars, and those wholesale prices are remaining firm, I don't think that Canadians will get the full benefit of the currency changes...

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#259759 - 09/23/07 07:01 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
Rod Verhnjak Offline
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Registered: 04/09/06
Posts: 3661
Loc: Vancouver B.C. Canada
I do not sell any new pianos made in Asia or Europe. So I can not comment on what is happening with those product costs.

But I would expect any piano priced in U.S. dollars across the border should be able to be priced very similar in Canada.

Products coming from Asia/Europe should not be much more if they are shipped directly to Canada and not rerouted through the U.S.

At least this is what I think looking at how it should work.

I could be wrong and if I am please correct me with the proper information.
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#259760 - 09/24/07 06:33 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
Rod Verhnjak Offline
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Registered: 04/09/06
Posts: 3661
Loc: Vancouver B.C. Canada
Anyone comment on my above post.

The topic came up today in my shop with a client.
She is wondering if the Asian/European piano prices will come down in Canada like the prices for U.S. made products.

I'm not sure of the answer.
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#259761 - 09/24/07 07:18 PM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
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Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 6189
If one were to consider "only" the foreign exchange aspect of the equation, then the answer is:

Prices of products from countries whose currencies are pegged to the US will come down in Canada like prices of US products.

The Chinese RenMinBi is pegged to the USD, so theoretically, movement of prices of Chinese products "should" track that of US products.

Euros (and most other European currencies) are not pegged to the USD, so price movements of European products would not track that of US products.

(Disclaimer: There's a whole lot of over-simplification and assumptions in the above.)
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#259762 - 10/04/07 06:31 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
Onestone Offline
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Registered: 09/13/05
Posts: 43
Loc: Crozet, Virginia
In reply to PDCHeek's queries: The Walter pianos are comparable to Steinway: handcrafted, Renner actions, hand-rubbed finishes, individually weighted keys. That's what makes them such a joy to play. Comparing a U1 to a Walter 1500 is comparing apples to oranges. Hands down, Yamaha and Kawai are the best production pianos out there, but they're not the same kind of instrument as a Charles R. Walter. As for the price, you're probably getting the Walter action and not the Renner. Our dealer in Charlottesville has the Walter action at $5,995 and the Renner at $6,995.

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#259763 - 10/04/07 08:01 AM Re: The first piano search expands then narrows.
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Registered: 05/28/01
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Just to echo the original responses, the Walter is a nicer quality than the Yamaha and Kawai, and is very nicely priced.

Good Luck,
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