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We have had the CN35 for two years now. Older daughter started at 6, is now 8. Younger daughter (now 6) sometimes bangs along, but otherwise just upgraded from glockenspiel to flute.

What I like most about the CN35 compared to others in the same price range is: 4 speakers which I think makes a big difference to 2. The nice Kawai sound. The very good RHIII action. USB Sticks supported for MP3 saving and sharing (but I no longer consider this a must have). And it has damper and string resonance (no cabinet resonance, though).

What my children like most about the CN35: we never tell them they can not play, only sometimes to use the headphones or turn down volume temporarily. They like all the buttons. And the sounds. And the recording function (for fun, not really for practice assessment :-)

tl;dr: CN35 very good value for money, would buy again.

CN37 coming out now, get the CN35 while its cheap :-)

I'd go for the Roland F-140R as the action is very realistic and it has lots of features that would encourage small kids to play.

I am hoping to get a good deal on it. I called one of the Kawai dealers yesterday and they told they have very low stock since the new CN37 is coming out in 1-2 weeks.


In my previous post I mentioned about a discussion on key noise issue in the Kawai's with RHIII action. Did you or your friend experienced any such abnormal key noises?


I think you had experienced some key noise issue with the CN35 and got it fixed, correct? I am hoping to get an excellent support, in case any thing goes wrong.

And, I like your signature - I am buying this for my twin girls and the question is "whi's going to learn faster"

Thanks!

The key issue thing I think judging from the posts on the forum here really is something that Kawai techs can and will handle. I have an issue with my roland's key action for which I got an initial response from the dealer along the lines of in 25 years not one fault like this was known to them.. Got my head scratching and made me feel a bit like it was mé at fault.. Later on got positive reaction from the dealer and things will be resolved - but I did post here on the issue and anyone reading it might think oh my that sounds like something I don't want to buy..
Same with the Kawai action issues - these things are not simple on off devices, some teething problems might arise and most if not all will get resolved under warranty.

Thing to remember is nobody is going to post things like my digital piano works perfectly - all the people who have perfectly functional pianos won't bother sounding off about that - it's just the faults that sound off - does not mean all the pianos are faulty or will be ^^

Goss,

I agree with you completely. But my intention was to know if that issue is something similar to the key rattling issues in Casio DPs which are said to be developing over time from bad to worse. And none of the posts that I read had anyone saying it got fixed through Casio or the dealer.

Thanks!

>I called one of the Kawai dealers yesterday and they told they have very low stock since the new CN37 is coming out in 1-2 weeks.

I had a Kawai dealer tell me something similar about the ES7 when the ES8 came out. Six months later they had 'the last' ES7 out for sale, with a sign on it saying it had been sold. A month later there was another one out.

Not all dealers are completely honest.

@SSK

What price range are you looking at now? If it's up to $2k or so another model to consider would be the Roland DP603. Erpiano and similar discount retailers might get you 10-15% off or offer some financing deal. The model it replaced, the DP90e, could be a good purchase if had at a discount, the $1800 listed at Kraft is more than I would spend on it though.

No abnormal key noises.

Yes, I called on Kawai because a few keys had a slight rattle when falling back. It got resolved fast and has not come back (two years now).

The dealer has 3-4 locations that carry DPs and couple of them said they ran out of CN35s and the 3rd one has one floor model. I do not have any previous experience with that dealer, but don't have any reason to distrust them either.
The person from that store told me its the last piece they have in this whole area and is put on the floor about a week ago. I will be going to that store this afternoon to check the model out. I think they told the price to be around $2250. I am not sure if its a lowered price from their boxed piece price or not. The CN37 is listed on Kawai site for $2599. Not sure if its worth spending $2250 on a display piece of an outgoing model or to stretch it to $2599 for the new one on kawaius.com - considering I have already stretched the budget once. Could the new CN37 be priced lower in the stores than what is listed in kawai site now?

Anything to watch out for floor models?

Thanks!

Good to know. Thanks!

You're in the US, right? Assuming so, $2250 is WAY too high for a brand new in box CN35, let alone a floor model. At the end of December (i.e. before the CN37 was announced), a close family member bought a brand new CN35 (new in box) from a local Kawai dealer for $1800. Feel free to tell them that too and use it as leverage that other US dealers are selling them for $1800.

I think they're giving you MSRP or list price and not a sale price. Time to negotiate.

Similarly, you should also be able to get a new CN37 for at least a couple hundred less than the price direct from Kawai's US website.

https://www.muziekhuisdacapo.nl/nl/...w-72879?gclid=cmqercks1necfcqv0wodezkija 1630 U$ incl tax (21%) and delivery. American prices are just @_@

If that is the range of your budget, might want to give Roland models a go with the pha-50 actions..

That price for a floor model is definately taking liberties....

Since you're seeing some significant budget escalation a good question to ask is how long are you planning to keep this for, and do you think at some point you'd be able to get an acoustic? If you might be able to buy an acoustic in a year or two, maybe it would be worth getting a used Yamaha DGX650/660 or a used casio px780/350 with stand/cgp700. $500-600, maybe less. It would probably be fine for the first year or two to supplement lessons on an acoustic the kids are getting. They would depreciate less than something bought new. Then you could sell it after a year or two when you buy an acoustic or better digital. Are aesthetics your main objection to 'portable' models? With a stand and triple pedal bar they should be roughly as sturdy and except for possibly weaker speakers as good a piano substitute as similarly spec'd 'cabinet' models. If the aesthetics are a real issue, that's a perfectly legitimate consideration of course.

Also, at these prices I'd definitely look into the Roland DP603 as well.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts and experiences about various digital pianos. I bought the Kawai CN35 today from a local dealer and will be picking it up in next few days.


Interesting, but I checked the post a bit late. I bought the CN35 for $2088 and will be picking it up in next couple of days. Could you please PM the details?


We are expecting our kids to use this DP for at least 5 years, or even more. With 5 years labor and parts warranty from Kawai, I hope to have this in good working condition for a long time. One of my friend has one acoustic which he does not use these days (in good condition, may be just out of tune) and has offered me to take it. I will bring it to my house when the need arise. So I will not be buying an acoustic any time soon.


Aesthetics is one of the criteria too. As for portables, we need to go with the cabinet type stand which doesn't look that great. The X frames are too delicate the kids could bring the piano down when they run around in the living room where the piano will be kept.

Thanks!

Congratulations on your purchase. You ended up with something great and should be happy with it for years to come.

Very cool. I'll PM you the details.

Congrats SSK!

I hope the piano brings your family a lot of musical happiness.

Kind regards,
James
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To be honest, I do not think CN35 is cheap at the moment. The truth is I have seen some price drop just today, but still... Taking Thomann.de eshop prices:
KAWAI CN35 - 1444 EUR, KAWAI CN37 - 1622 EUR.
Somehow, 11% difference between brand new model and 3 years old model is not satisfying - unless balance slider is must for you. Also, I talked about CN35 purchease with some local dealers and they are absolutely convinced about selling CN35 for more or less "full price" and didnt want to hear a word about sale. Who knows, maybe it is too soon for such negotiations.


How much would you prefer PHA-50 over RHA-III? If it is 1600 EUR for KAWAI CN37 and 1800 EUR for Roland DP603, would you rather choose Roland?


Congratulations for new piano. I am sure your twins will have a lot of fun with this instrument!