Piano World Home Page Forums Our Most Popular Forums Pianist Corner Wrote this massive sonata in a minor in about a week.

Pretty much as the title says. I'm just looking for some feedback on this piece really. Anything is good; I'm always looking for ways to improve and I love to hear people's thoughts on my music. Thanks guys :")

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Can you hire someone to record even just samples of it live instead of MIDI/GPO? Some of the last movement doesn't sound humanly possible to play upon brief listen (I skipped around due to not having 47 minutes to listen).

Uhh... sorry.. it might be impressive that it was written in a week, but it shows. The harmonies are extremely strange and clumsy.. I heard enough in the first couple of minutes. The rhythm is boring... the music goes nowhere.

No because I'm 17 and even if I did have the money I still wouldn't because I want to be the first person to play it. Which parts specifically are you talking about in the finale? Can you give me time info?

The reason I didn't record myself playing it is because, honestly, a lot of the music I write, I'm not really at a level technique wise to play them efficiently. But my teacher has been encouraging me to write my ideas out anyway even if I'm not really at a level to play what's in my head. Because he said it will come in time. So that's what I've been doing. Strange and clumsy how? Can you please be more specific.

Izzy,

It's better to have too little than too much. If you err on the side of too few notes, then at least you give the listener a chance to add their own notes. If you have too many/unnecessary notes, then it becomes clunky/sloppy/reckless and you are throwing away everything that you're trying to build. As an inspiration, try listening to the power of few notes:

Satie, Gnossienne 1,2,3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUAF3abGY2M


Once you've mastered the ability to control few notes, only then can you add more. Each note contains a lot of information if used properly. If you cannot live with keeping a single note left out, then add it. If you can live without it, then it's not needed.

"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."

- Einstein

In the context of music, interpret that as you please.

What I'm trying to understand is what's so sloppy about it. Maybe it would help if I provide the sheet music so that someone can give a better explanation.

Here is a link to the draft of the manuscript: [removed]

I apologize in advance for any errors, latency or sloppiness of how the score looks. I haven't had time to edit the layout because at this point I'm trying to see what I can do to make it better.

Bravo for the effort and time. Keep it up.

+1!

I think it's quite impressive.
I'd add, though, that to me, the beginning doesn't sound at all like a beginning -- it's more like, dunno, part of a development section, or near the end of the 'exposition' of a 1st movement, or......just about anything but a beginning. But it shows talent and ability.

Like Msxoin said: Keep it up!

thanks. although i am still kind of rattled over the negative comments. i really wanted to know what i did wrong but thanks.

Please try not to worry about them too much. I think they were judging you on an inappropriate standard, and without taking the trouble to at least also commend you on good aspects.

Hi Izzy
Focus on the concrete feedback you have received rather vague comments. You have received suggestions about improvement, as well as positive overall comments.

I would suggest that you take a few minutes to go back through the posts and list out the concrete suggestions you have received with an assigned category of 'thought and possible action'. Change your focus and you will be surprised at what you have learned.

There are many ways to create. Some people think everything through very well and then just write an almost finished product down. Other people just "spit" it all out and then they start editing until it's a refined whole. Sometimes they write everything anew. Both ways work to create masterpieces. The latter probably would work for you. You look back at what you wrote and ask questions like "is this playable", "is there a reason I put this here", "what am I trying to achieve with this", "does this sound good" and so on. You learn this craft by doing and by help from more experienced people and sometimes you discard the whole thing or it becomes something totally different. But you are already a long way having the material to review. You might consider it raw material rather than a finished product.

I have not heard the file because I can't on this computer, but I looked at the score and it seems impressive. When I get some time and print capability I may play around with it.

actually im probably gonna delete that because its just a draft of the manuscript anyway plus i want to make sure i can play it first before i let other people play it in other words before i actually publish the score ^^" sorry.

Come on. This is terrible.

It's better than I could do.
(Or at least it's more than I could do.)

So, if that's terrible, what adjectives you got for me....

More doesn't mean better, especially in this case.

Is this more of your trolling, JoelW? Are you just bitter and jealous of the OP's composing ability, and so you feel the need to put him down with this mean, rude statements? 99.9% of pianist cannot compose this work.

I agree. I certainly couldn't.

You cannot be criticizing this which you cannot do yourself.