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#2613542 - 02/11/17 01:37 PM Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range
Monnet Offline
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What is the best digital piano in this price range in your own opinion?

What models should I look into and what to avoid?

What about the Yamaha B1 with factory silent system?

I won't be playing much without headphones.

And obviously I'm going to go and test them at some point.

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#2613550 - 02/11/17 01:51 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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The main difference between digital pianos of say 3000 Euros and 5000 Euros is the speaker system. IMO, the experience of playing a 3000 Euro digital---e.g., the Roland LX7---is less satisfying than playing the V-piano stage version (a much older instrument) with good monitors. However, the LX17 from Roland does sound better than the V-piano stage. The main differences between the LX7 and 17 are the speakers/amps.

Similarly, I was much more impressed with the sound of the CS11 from Kawai compared to the CA97, CA67 or CS8. The layout of the speakers and their power (also the existence of a sound-board) can make quite a difference in one's playing satisfaction, even though the sound chip/sampling or modelling technology might be the same in the 3000 Euro bracket.
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#2613553 - 02/11/17 02:13 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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What I'm focusing on is the feel of the action.

Right now I'm practicing with Yamaha's YDP-163 which action is way too heavy compared to the grand pianos or uprights I have played.

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#2613554 - 02/11/17 02:14 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Bought a Korg Kronos last October with very good headphones, after testing models from many brands. The piano sounds are excellent and I really like the RH3 action.
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#2613557 - 02/11/17 02:25 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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I have seen Yamaha P114 with Silent System for under 5000EUR, used of course, but who would care if it is four, five years old only? Also used B2 and of course B1. The B series have a lesser silent system than the P series.

From Kawai you may be able to get a used K2 or even K3 with Silent System (called ATX). You will probably not yet find K200 or K300 models with ATX-2, the new models, at least not used, because they are relatively new.

Do not forget that all the moving parts in a acoustic piano action make quite some noise even if silent mode.

But if you almost always play with headphones, you probably want the best digital sound system. Roland is ahead of the crowd in terms of resonance modeling, which has an impact on the overall sound and realistic pedaling. The action/keyboard and sound engine is the same in all new models (HP603, 605, LX-7, LX-17), so you could actually buy the cheapest you like if you mostly play with headphones.

Next would be Kawai CA or CS series. For headphone-mostly use, CA67 has all the sound engine features and it has the very good Kawai action, which I personally prefer over the Roland. At default, I also like the Kawai sound character better than Roland, but you can tweak both massively.

Then there is the Yamaha CLP range. If you like the Yamaha sound character you need to look at them. The higher end models also have Boesendorfer sound, which is very nice.

Then Casio now has the GP300 and GP500, with an action from Bechstein. They have three distinct different grand piano sounds and a ton of acoustic effects. Definitely worth a look.
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#2613617 - 02/11/17 06:04 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Originally Posted By Monnet
What is the best digital piano in this price range in your own opinion?

What models should I look into and what to avoid?

What about the Yamaha B1 with factory silent system?

I won't be playing much without headphones.

And obviously I'm going to go and test them at some point.


I tried the B1 silent in my local shop a week ago now. It played well, although I reckon the B2 would be mcuh better and dearer. i couldn't tell it was a silent until the guy told me how to use the centre pedal. Digital is nice enough with reverb on.
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#2613649 - 02/11/17 09:34 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Hendrik42 said most things already. If you play mostly with headphones, the speaker system is not that important.

You can therefore look at the Roland HP603, FP-90, and DP-603; all the same piano, in different (small) cabinets. The LX-17, which is much more expensive, costs that much because of the cabinet and the speakers.

With Kawai, you can look at the CA67, for well under €3K; it will sound exactly the same through headphones, compared to the more expensive CA97, CS8, and CS11.

If you don't need any speakers *at all*, you could take a look at the Kawai MP11.
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#2613685 - 02/12/17 02:43 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Agree with Falsch - if your intent is to always play with headphones, you're better off with a Kawai MP11 or some such stage piano with the relative manufacturer's top of the line action and a silent PC loaded with some nice piano suites like Pianoteq or Garritan or somesuch.

If something with a little less clunky appearance is required for the livingroom - the same action can be found in several of Kawai's console style pianos.

Falsch's LX17 is very lovely - under 5000 the choice is pretty wide, and it would buy you a very good sound system in the piano and handsome style; likewise with the Kawai CS11 and the Casio GP500 ( has an interesting action - fastest in digital pianos apparently )
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#2613705 - 02/12/17 06:02 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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On a note on acoustic pianos with factory fitted silent systems - apparently these still offer a handicap both in acoustic and silent mode influencing the mechanics of the action according to some who have owned them or who work on them on this forum..

Personally if you have 5000 to spend even though perhaps now you say you would mainly use with headphones, I would go for one of the models I mentioned earlier regardless of wether or not you use headphones more often than not. There is always a time where playing loudly is possible, and the sound systems on these pianos offer a great piano experience which if one would want to approximate with separate loudspeakers would be a real quest to try and match, also in regards to aesthetics ^^
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#2613709 - 02/12/17 06:41 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Apparently none of the stores available to me stock Kawai pianos so my only options are Roland or Yamaha.
I've heard Casio's digital pianos are quite inferior.

Does anybody own the NU1? I just read that it had a bug where notes would play very loud even with a soft touch. Is this error still occuring on new factory models?

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#2613718 - 02/12/17 07:52 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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I've heard Casio's digital pianos are quite inferior.

I played the two hybrids that Casio came out with and they sounded great. I wasn't thrilled with the action but you might like it.

When you spend the kind of money you're planning on spending, you really have to play the pianos in question.

Remember also, you're not marrying the piano for life. A few years from now you might find another piano that tickles your fancy and might make a move. smile
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#2613802 - 02/12/17 03:00 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Originally Posted By Monnet
Apparently none of the stores available to me stock Kawai pianos so my only options are Roland or Yamaha.
I've heard Casio's digital pianos are quite inferior.

Does anybody own the NU1? I just read that it had a bug where notes would play very loud even with a soft touch. Is this error still occuring on new factory models?

See here but it doesn't answer your specific question.

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#2613844 - 02/12/17 07:44 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Hello Monnet,

Originally Posted By Monnet
Apparently none of the stores available to me stock Kawai pianos so my only options are Roland or Yamaha.


May I ask where you are based?

Kind regards,
James
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#2613889 - 02/13/17 03:15 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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I am not familiar with the price of quality speakers and what makes some that more expensive and better sounding than others.......
In my opinion all digitals incl. the Yamaha N3 still do not sound completely convincing.
During two occasions at the Frankfurther Messe i was extremely impressed with digital piano + speaker set up !!
More than a decade ago Kawai presented their DP-1 with multiple speakers , it was such a joy, because of very good speakers and a large authentic sampleset streamed from disc.
It never got materialised, but even the rare video's out there show how much better it sounded thanwhat was available at the time.

Last year Kawai had a joined venture with Onkyo resulting in the same pleasant surprise of a speakersound that actually sounds as good as our headphones.

I would never buy a LX-17, N3 ( to expensive for my wallet) or CA-97 because the two Kawai examples have shown what can be achieved soundwise.
I believe there is much room for improvement in the cabinet styled digital piano's, but till date i personally cannot warm for the speaker solutions used.

Maybe the A brands should hire the expertise from top of the line hifi brands.
In my country church organ music was (is?) quite popular. The numbers of Johannus, Content, Domus, Viscount, Eminent and Allen organs were bafling during the seventies and eighties.
To regenerate some church acoustics they develloped something called 'acoustic/aucoustimus' or something like it...... it was based on extra speakers responsable for the reverb tails.
Result a very good representation of a churchhall in your livingroom.
That was more than 25 years ago !!!!!

I can and will not believe that the current speaker solutions in digital piano's is at it's peak.


Edited by pianistje (02/13/17 03:35 AM)

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#2613901 - 02/13/17 05:03 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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You are completely right there pianistje - but within the constraints of the budget and off the shelf solutions available, those are the options.
Not bad sounding, not the best..

But for perspective - the deep dark rabbit hole of hifi lol - People can end up spending tens of thousands of euros and still chase the great white elephant..

One could build something oneself that sounds better than what is on offer as a package from the A brand digital piano manufacturers, but not without extensive and expensive experimenting, and the aesthetics will require further money and time spent.
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#2613902 - 02/13/17 05:07 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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In our livingroom stand a pair of Kef Reference Model Three~Two loudspeakers, and a Van Medevoort class A hotplate lol - when it was new it cost more than the Avant Grand N3 - and still it won't please those chasing that white elefant.. Everything has its shortcomings and strengths.
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#2613903 - 02/13/17 05:10 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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But ask me today what I would get instead - it would be a pair of much smaller loudspeakers, a tidy sub, an amplifier with some more flexible uses like streaming options and friendlier interface - less physical presence and more ease of use for all members of the family. Less good sound, but good enough..
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#2613944 - 02/13/17 10:46 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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Thanks Goss, i think you made some valid points concerning 'hifi'. It seems you have quite some quality set up at home !


I think the problem in most digitals is the cabinet itself. No matter how you locate the speakers, the sound is 'boxed' so to speak.
A real soundboard works like an omni speaker that vibrates the air all around.
Placing more speakers in the background forfilling other tasks (like the extra 2 speakers in the original and ideal V piano set up ) could mean a more realistc audio experience.
If Kawai can show it off two times then it is possible to create a better sound than what comes with the current highend cabinets.
Like i sad about home organs and extra reverb speakers, or something that creates a more spacial effect.

I know to little about amps , speakers and hifi to make a serious suggestion. It is the underwhelming experience when playing any digital with internal speakers.
The top of the line home pipe organs have done a much better job in recreating the illusion of a pipe organ.
The digital piano is still off by quite some margin , unless of course you add specific quality speakers like Kawai did with Onkyo.


Edited by pianistje (02/13/17 10:47 AM)

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#2613947 - 02/13/17 10:59 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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Originally Posted By Monnet
What I'm focusing on is the feel of the action.
Right now I'm practicing with Yamaha's YDP-163 which action is way too heavy compared to the grand pianos or uprights I have played.


The static weight is higher, but when playing it dynamically the GH3 has the same "weight" of most acoustic pianos I played, including my upright. I consider the PHA50 a little too light dynamically, so my next piano would be a top Kawai or a CLP 575/585.

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#2613953 - 02/13/17 11:30 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro range [Re: Monnet]
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True paxel - the static touchweight of the PHA-50 action is high, but once it gets going it is lighter. Folded actions tend to have that property. The Kawai GFII and Casio GP Bechstein actions are more traditional and simpler and more direct, but also larger and more susceptible to environment being 90% wood and, denser wood than their acoustic brethren - more susceptible to humidity induced swelling. ( though my own issues w uneven touch weight of the PHA-50 shows plastics and metal isn't all that either..)

Yes pianistje - the issue for the all in one digital piano designers is dealing with cone shaped loudspeaker drivers instead of strings if you put some of the drivers in the exterior, you end up with the issue of the cone shaped sound projection of these drivers: the player of the piano would experience wildly varying frequency responses when playing and moving as the drop off just 20° off centre can be as much as 12db which is more than halving of volume - and this changes with the frequencies projected. So they put them inside, raise the relative EQ of some frequencies and let them out via a reflections from inside of the box way to solve the directional issue, but this does give that boxed in sound.. To be fair, an upright's tone producers are pretty much boxed in as well, but some of those drivers (strings) are a metre tall and spread throughout the piano, and have the soundboard to add resonances and as long as the piano is not up against a wall..

Its been 30 years since I had my first and last piano lessons - for now content with my learning tool the HP605, and I made the calculation that if my love affair continues as is, in a few years time I will upgrade to the successor of the first DP we truly liked, the Roland LX17 which had a nice full sound, very low extension and the brightness with the opened lid drivers, or go for adventure and build something myself with a low latency DSP crossover filter, a coned woofer or two and electrostatic drivers for mids and highs ^^
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#2613956 - 02/13/17 11:41 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Goss]
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Originally Posted By Goss
In our livingroom stand a pair of Kef Reference Model Three~Two loudspeakers, and a Van Medevoort class A hotplate lol - when it was new it cost more than the Avant Grand N3 - and still it won't please those chasing that white elefant.. Everything has its shortcomings and strengths.



Why would anyone buy an amplifier for the home that cost more than an N3? I'm curious.
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#2613965 - 02/13/17 11:57 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Dave Horne]
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Originally Posted By Dave Horne
Why would anyone buy an amplifier for the home that cost more than an N3? I'm curious.


Welcome to the world of high fidelity home audio. Where the price of a cable interconnect is twice as much as an N3X and is defended to the death by psuedoscience technobabble.
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#2613966 - 02/13/17 11:57 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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@Goss : "To be fair, an upright's tone producers are pretty much boxed in as well, but some of those drivers (strings) are a metre tall and spread throughout the piano, and have the soundboard to add resonances "

The position of the strings (boxed inside) doesn't matter since we don't ear the strings directly : only the soundboard. A piano without its soundboard would be comparable to an electric guitar (with its amp switched off) : nearly no sound.
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#2613977 - 02/13/17 12:18 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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Did not pay that amount for it Dave wink and it was the package, pre amp power and and speakers which equalled an N3. Not a huge challenge to find an amp by that costs as much as the N3 by itself though lol that business is good for billions a year..




that soundboard resonates front and back, inside and out, and the strings are not mute they do produce a sound - the point is scale..


Indeed gombessa - its a golden business for snakeoil salesmen ^^ and the victims defend them even..


Edited by Goss (02/13/17 12:23 PM)
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#2614192 - 02/14/17 03:54 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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Just to put ppls minds at ease about my spending habits lol - those Kef speakers I spent 450 on them ^^ not 12k.
Owner of a body shop bought them from a friend, his wife decided she did not like the colour and had him paint them white. Apparently hifi fans don't like it when you take a pair of 12k speakers in rosewood veneer and spray paint them white so he had real difficulty selling them.
The paint job is automotive quality hard as a rock so we don't mind at all.

Also did not help that his wife did not like having to move 40kg speakers around to vacuum clean, so he unscrewed the matching speaker feet and lost them and screwed in some desk chair wheels lol.. Now minus wheels and plus feet again doing fine work to wake up the dead
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#2614373 - 02/14/17 03:14 PM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Goss]
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Originally Posted By Goss
You are completely right there pianistje - but within the constraints of the budget and off the shelf solutions available, those are the options.
Not bad sounding, not the best..

But for perspective - the deep dark rabbit hole of hifi lol - People can end up spending tens of thousands of euros and still chase the great white elephant..

One could build something oneself that sounds better than what is on offer as a package from the A brand digital piano manufacturers, but not without extensive and expensive experimenting, and the aesthetics will require further money and time spent.


I think it's a good point about the cost of premium quality amps and speakers. If you consider that the top end Roland LX17 is around £4.4K for the whole thing, then you have to realise that the speaker system is still going to be somewhat of a compromise over that in a high end hi-fi system - which could easily cost that whole amount or considerably more even without a front end source i.e. amps and speakers alone. If say Roland teamed up with the likes of Naim Audio to provide the amps and speakers, the end result could easily be a £10K+ digital piano and while I'm sure it would sound great, maybe the market simply isn't there for such a beast or the diminishing returns in sound quality are simply not worthwhile when attempting to simulate an acoustic piano inside a piano sized box. It would certainly be interesting to hear!

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#2614654 - 02/15/17 07:32 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Goss]
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Originally Posted By Goss

his wife decided she did not like the colour and had him paint them white.
rosewood veneer and spray paint them white
The paint job is automotive quality
his wife did not like having to move 40kg speakers around to vacuum clean
he unscrewed the matching speaker feet and lost them and screwed in some desk chair wheels


That's one funny story.

Those wives are so bossy!
Won't allow a man to enjoy his hobbies.
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#2614673 - 02/15/17 08:41 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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In my experience wives aren't bossy, but men have a tendency to look at things with rather narrower vision ^^

Their abode was an older house with nice whitewashed wood panelled walls and classical plastered ceilings - those 1 metre tall giants would indeed have stood out hehe. And as to moving 40kg to vacuum - I can't find fault with this annoyance either..
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#2615607 - 02/18/17 12:19 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: Monnet]
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I picked the Yamaha CLP-585 after trying comparably priced Roland and Kawai models.

> What I'm focusing on is the feel of the action.

This is very much a matter of personal preference with respect to the 3 brands. I thought they all were pretty good (and acoustics in that price range don't neccesarily have such great action). I will say I thought the 585 felt noticeably more natural than the 575 sitting 2 pianos away. I could not do direct vendor-to-vendor comparison with Kawai CS-10 or CA-97, or Roland LX 15 or 508 - I needed to visit 3 different dealers in 3 different cities in my region to do that.

> I won't be playing much without headphones.

There was nothing wrong with the Kawai models, just personal preference like I said. I did have issues with the Roland sound system (both boomy, might need to not be right up against a wall? could have been the environment? I only had one choice of retailer, visited more than once, played with the modeling parameters, didn't help, so that was that). But...if I was only using headphones or mainly had it for recording, I might have picked one of the Roland models.

In the end I'm preferring to let the 585 control a virtual instrument (USB to PC, I picked Galaxy Vintage D). IMO none of these digital pianos seem to equal or surpass good sampled instruments. That includes Yamaha Avant Grands that I tried out of curiosity. Galaxy probably far from the best but hard to go wrong at the price.

I regretted that could not find a late-model Kurzweil model to try and still wonder to this day if they have good action. In my region, I could not find a Casio of comparable quality to any of the above, assuming Casio makes such a piano.

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#2615608 - 02/18/17 12:26 AM Re: Give me your opinions on pianos in the 4000-5000 euro ra [Re: eclectic]
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Originally Posted By eclectic


I regretted that could not find a late-model Kurzweil model to try and still wonder to this day if they have good action. In my region, I could not find a Casio of comparable quality to any of the above, assuming Casio makes such a piano.


I wouldn't worry about not trying the Kurzweil. That action is ok, but certainly not in the class of your Yamaha. The Casio GP action is very nice, but the sound engine is not as good as your Yamaha, IMO, and you pay a pretty penny for that action if you just want to use vast pianos. I think you can be happy and have no regrets with your purchase.

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