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Hello All,
I don't know anything about music. My child on the other hand is studying hard for ABRSM 3. Her teacher told us to get a digital piano.
My question is would I be better off to buy a brand new mid-range DP like the Yamaha P115 or buy a 10-15 year old Yamaha Clavinova?
Thanks.
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I have an 14 year old Clavinova. Compared to the P115 :
Better keyboard (GH), Better speakers (I suppose the minimum in Clavinova brand is 2x20W, I have 2x60W), Worse sound engine : 3 velocity layers and an obvious change of tone between them. The sound engine doesn't matter to me because of my virtual pianos.
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Just for the record, the P115 is usually not considered a mid range piano, but rather an entry level digital piano.
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... or you could rent a piano.
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Your daughters teacher may know someone selling a decent upright for a song . . . .
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An acoustic rented would be ideal. In the DP price range you started with a Roland FP30 or Kawai ES100 would b better IMHO. There is a newer probably more expensive ES100 replacement called the ES110, but I have no experience with it. If you go the digital route, new is probably better for both action and tone range, but take your daughter or teacher when choosing.
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If you have to go digital, go new and see if you can find a Kawai dealer with old stock of CN25/CN35. They should cut you a good deal and it will be a better instrument than both of what you mentioned.
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It depends very much on the exact model of the used Clavinova. And of course also on the exact requirements. Should it have damper resonance? (Preferably) String resonance? (Nice bonus) Tri-sensor action? (Not necessary unless practising alternating-finger repetitions?) Is 64 note polyphony enough? (For anything without sustain pedal, yes) etc. And old Clavinova could well have better speakers than a cheap new entry level Yamaha model. Some have buzzwords like "iAFC (Instrumental Active Field Control)", "SEE (Spatial Ensemble Effect)", "NSB (Natural Soundboard)" and are calibrated to the room conditions for optimal sound. Like the CLP-170 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2u_IpmHlQoAnd like said, they probably all avoid the lowest end GHS action. Often the problem with used Clavinovas is that people (sellers) think they are still worth something. And of course they are. But if they are asking the price of a brand new Arius YDP-163 for something 10 years old with similar (or worse) features, there's no point buying the used one.
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That is a lot of information. But I think the gist is that for DPs new is better than old.
Thank you all for your input. I appreciate it very much.
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Old is fine, just not too old and one must be aware of its strengths and shortcomings - information one can find here ^^
Read that thread of pianos under 1000, ask your daughter's piano teacher if she knows of a solid second hand digital or acoustic piano from time to time and when you come across one that looks interesting to you, ask your questions about it here ^^
When we started looking for a suitable digital piano we could enjoy for at least 5 years supposing some progress is made skills wise, we started out with a 1000 budget ourselves, but soon found a little more spending was not a waste of money. Currently enjoying a Roland HP605 which we got from a dealer for 2000..
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