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Some folks here may find this recently published study interesting. In it, the researchers report on an experiment they did that gave some results showing that the brain processes music using the same pathways as it does for processing the pleasures of foods, drugs, and sex.

Something about the design of the study struck me as particularly interesting, and also somewhat peculiar. As part of the setup, they asked participants to choose music that gave them "chills". That seems a bit strange to me just because that's not normally a specific effect I get from music I like a lot. I guess there are a few pieces that can do it, mostly some big orchestral moments, but it's not really a huge motivation for listening. How about you - do you get chills from favorite pieces, and is that the reason why you like them?




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I would bet music would make you feel a whole range of emotion (but I really should read the paper before answering!)


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Some folks here may find this recently published study interesting. In it, the researchers report on an experiment they did that gave some results showing that the brain processes music using the same pathways as it does for processing the pleasures of foods, drugs, and sex.

Something about the design of the study struck me as particularly interesting, and also somewhat peculiar. As part of the setup, they asked participants to choose music that gave them "chills". That seems a bit strange to me just because that's not normally a specific effect I get from music I like a lot. I guess there are a few pieces that can do it, mostly some big orchestral moments, but it's not really a huge motivation for listening. How about you - do you get chills from favorite pieces, and is that the reason why you like them?





I used to get chills from performances that I found thrilling but that hasn't happened for a long time. I thought of it the opposite in that the degree that I liked it caused the chill, not that I liked it because of the chill.

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I read the article but have insufficient knowledge of chemistry to derive any insight. "Chills" seems to me a very strange word to use as it is remote from describing any reaction I have ever had to music. Mind you, at nearly seventy, I might be something of a cold fish, my love of music depending on a sort of hypnotic, abstract immersion, which the word "emotion" does not adequately describe. When I was young matters were different, so perhaps it has something to do with hormones or the lack of them.

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Participants were asked to bring to the laboratory two music recordings that reliably produced intense feelings of pleasure for them, including but not limited to the sensation of chills.
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I do get chills from music. Quite literally sometimes as my arm hair stand up smile

But I also do experience a different even more pleasurable reaction to music. It seems to be related more to tones that structure. With piano music it happens with certain harmonies and melodic developments that are chromatic, dissonant or even atonal. It is not a physical chill but a pleasurable "tingling" somewhere deep in my brain. It's physical and not physical at the same time. Very difficult to explain. And I also can feel it from just thinking about music sometimes.

I rarely experience this with other instruments than piano though. And I also only experience it with some pianists. The same piece played by someone else could produce no reaction.

Oh, and I do also sometimes get a "gut" reaction to music...if you know what I mean wink

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I read the article but have insufficient knowledge of chemistry to derive any insight.


I know what you mean - I wish studies would include a non-technical summary for the general public, as a matter of course.

Anyway, I found this press release from the university where it took place. It gives a bit of an idea of the study in more everyday language. There are various other write-ups in other places that I noticed when searching, but I didn't check them out.


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I read the article but have insufficient knowledge of chemistry to derive any insight.


I know what you mean - I wish studies would include a non-technical summary for the general public, as a matter of course.



I don't, because such summaries would mostly be impossible to write without compromising the results. Media does this already enough imo. The results are only relevant in the context and the technical details are usually a non-separable part of that context. Research reports are written for other scientists and usually practical applications that could actually be useful in wider context are still far in the future.

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I read the article but have insufficient knowledge of chemistry to derive any insight.


I know what you mean - I wish studies would include a non-technical summary for the general public, as a matter of course.

Anyway, I found this press release from the university where it took place. It gives a bit of an idea of the study in more everyday language. There are various other write-ups in other places that I noticed when searching, but I didn't check them out.



Thanks, it is all food for thought. However, while there have been quite a few musicians who explicitly aligned their creative impulse with some variety of eroticism, I know of no major work having bacon, eggs, sausages, or cream buns as its inspirational driver. Therefore I tend to think there might be more to it.


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I read the article but have insufficient knowledge of chemistry to derive any insight.


I know what you mean - I wish studies would include a non-technical summary for the general public, as a matter of course.



I don't, because such summaries would mostly be impossible to write without compromising the results. Media does this already enough imo. The results are only relevant in the context and the technical details are usually a non-separable part of that context. Research reports are written for other scientists and usually practical applications that could actually be useful in wider context are still far in the future.


Well, yes. I knew when I was writing that many, probably most, studies are simply not reducible into that sort of summary, and I should have qualified what I wrote to say as much. Something along the lines of "for those studies that aren't too esoteric to even describe to non-specialists, and/or those that will likely be of interest to people outside of the scientific community".

I think this particular study is one that appears to be not so incomprehensible to non-specialists that it can't be reasonably described in non-technical language, even if not in great detail. And some of that came through in the press release, as well being found in various sentences in the study itself. Otherwise, I wouldn't have understood enough of it to even contemplate starting a thread about it.

Also, it is interesting that one of the authors of the study, Daniel Levitin, is the guy who wrote the best-seller "This Is Your Brain On Music". So he already has experience with translating technical material into writing for general consumption. The way I became aware of this study was from a newspaper article which wasn't all that well written. I strongly suspect that a non-technical overview from Levitin or one of the other authors would have been a better way to get the information.

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I read the article but have insufficient knowledge of chemistry to derive any insight.


I know what you mean - I wish studies would include a non-technical summary for the general public, as a matter of course.



I don't, because such summaries would mostly be impossible to write without compromising the results. Media does this already enough imo. The results are only relevant in the context and the technical details are usually a non-separable part of that context. Research reports are written for other scientists and usually practical applications that could actually be useful in wider context are still far in the future.


Well, yes. I knew when I was writing that many, probably most, studies are simply not reducible into that sort of summary, and I should have qualified what I wrote to say as much. Something along the lines of "for those studies that aren't too esoteric to even describe to non-specialists, and/or those that will likely be of interest to people outside of the scientific community".

I think this particular study is one that appears to be not so incomprehensible to non-specialists that it can't be reasonably described in non-technical language, even if not in great detail. And some of that came through in the press release, as well being found in various sentences in the study itself. Otherwise, I wouldn't have understood enough of it to even contemplate starting a thread about it.

Also, it is interesting that one of the authors of the study, Daniel Levitin, is the guy who wrote the best-seller "This Is Your Brain On Music". So he already has experience with translating technical material into writing for general consumption. The way I became aware of this study was from a newspaper article which wasn't all that well written. I strongly suspect that a non-technical overview from Levitin or one of the other authors would have been a better way to get the information.


True. But I can tell you it is extremely frustrating as a researcher to read claims on media about your research results that are completely wrong. When you write a book you can use enough words to make sure you are not misunderstood, a short summary can be risky. People tend to prefer strong claims and black-and-white information to what science really produces which is often more questions than final answers.

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I do get chills from music. Quite literally sometimes as my arm hair stand up smile



Same here, it's why I listen to it. I can sometimes achieve the same thing just by thinking/meditating on a piece of music a I like.


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Had a quick scan through the paper and plainly what it found was that music which one enjoys elicits a chemical response in the brain. So! yes and why not that's how brains work
I only extreemly enjoy clasical but only sonatas and mainly piano and violin. But, and it is a BUT, only when I am hearing an actual live performance will I shed profuse tears !


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