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SirJohn #2615569 02/17/17 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SirJohn
Youtube video from GAK piano
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k75vJTN3XVI


The intro noise is CRAP! Turn your speakers DOWN.


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Originally Posted by SirJohn


Cool review. Gotta agree. What a great instrument!

I mostly use it as a controller for Pianoteq where I have many of their instruments.

If I had no VST, I would have this complaint - even the cheap Yamaha and Casio keyboard, I'm talking about $350 keyboards have more DSP control than the FP90. You should be able to choose from different reverbs. You should be able to choose not only vibrato or rotor speed, but depth.

However, to a great extent, the incredible quality of the keys and quality sounds make up for this deficiency.


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Hi Beakybird,

Have you plugged Pianoteq into the FP-90 and listened to it played through the FP-90 speakers? If so, how does the Pianoteq through the FP-90 speakers compare with the FP-90's internal sounds going through it's speakers?

I tried this with a Kawai ES8 and the Pianoteq sounded much fuller than the ES8's own sounds through it's own speakers.

I am trying to decide between the FP-90 and the RD-2000.

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Piano # Tone Name 1 Concert Piano 2 Ballad Piano 3 Mellow Piano 4 Bright Piano 5 Upright Piano 6 Mellow Upright 7 Bright Upright 8 Rock Piano 9 Ragtime Piano 10 Bright Forte 11 SA Piano 3 12 70’s E.Grand 13 Magical Piano 14 Harpsichord 15 Harpsi 8’+4’

Quick q to FP90 owners.. So all of those are all modelled?!


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Hi.
I've just sold my Kawai ES8 1000€ and now, I'me trying to decide between the FP-90 and the RD-2000 too ! :-)

I prefer the RD2000 for all his sounds but I won't use all the buttons !!!
I don't need effects, superpositions, etc... just more sounds.

Is it possible to add new sounds on the FP90 ?

Regards from Paris.

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Originally Posted by Goss
Piano # Tone Name 1 Concert Piano 2 Ballad Piano 3 Mellow Piano 4 Bright Piano 5 Upright Piano 6 Mellow Upright 7 Bright Upright 8 Rock Piano 9 Ragtime Piano 10 Bright Forte 11 SA Piano 3 12 70’s E.Grand 13 Magical Piano 14 Harpsichord 15 Harpsi 8’+4’

Quick q to FP90 owners.. So all of those are all modelled?!


Only Concert Piano, Ballad Piano, Mellow Piano, and Bright Piano are modelled.

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Originally Posted by bigbang
Hi.
I've just sold my Kawai ES8 1000€ and now, I'me trying to decide between the FP-90 and the RD-2000 too ! :-)

I prefer the RD2000 for all his sounds but I won't use all the buttons !!!
I don't need effects, superpositions, etc... just more sounds.

Is it possible to add new sounds on the FP90 ?

Regards from Paris.


As far as I know there is no way to load more sounds into it. There's no mention of that ability in Roland's literature. You can of course connect it to a computer and use as a controller for VSTs which would allow you unlimited sounds.

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Are all these piano sounds inclued in the RD2000 ?


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Originally Posted by SirJohn


As far as I know there is no way to load more sounds into it. There's no mention of that ability in Roland's literature. You can of course connect it to a computer and use as a controller for VSTs which would allow you unlimited sounds.


With modeling, there's definitely the potential to "load new sounds" through model settings changes, including settings not available to the end user, which might just be a small config file. This is opposed to a sampled DP where you necessarily would need to load a whole new sample set for a new piano.

I believe the V-PIano had a couple of updates in its continuing lifetime that included a couple of "new" piano tones.

Not saying Roland WILL do this, but conceptually it should be possible for the FP90/LX/RD2K....


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Originally Posted by Goss
Piano # Tone Name 1 Concert Piano 2 Ballad Piano 3 Mellow Piano 4 Bright Piano 5 Upright Piano 6 Mellow Upright 7 Bright Upright 8 Rock Piano 9 Ragtime Piano 10 Bright Forte 11 SA Piano 3 12 70’s E.Grand 13 Magical Piano 14 Harpsichord 15 Harpsi 8’+4’

Quick q to FP90 owners.. So all of those are all modelled?!


Only 1-4 are modeled.


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Originally Posted by Gombessa
Originally Posted by SirJohn


As far as I know there is no way to load more sounds into it. There's no mention of that ability in Roland's literature. You can of course connect it to a computer and use as a controller for VSTs which would allow you unlimited sounds.


With modeling, there's definitely the potential to "load new sounds" through model settings changes, including settings not available to the end user, which might just be a small config file. This is opposed to a sampled DP where you necessarily would need to load a whole new sample set for a new piano.

I believe the V-PIano had a couple of updates in its continuing lifetime that included a couple of "new" piano tones.

Not saying Roland WILL do this, but conceptually it should be possible for the FP90/LX/RD2K....


Roland really should improve the modeling and not make folks wait 3 years for a new DP.

Personally, I am more than satisfied with the action on this thing, and with Pianoteq, I see no reason to buy another DP - unless I start gigging with it a lot, and they are able to create the same action with lighter materials.

If I were to gig with this, I wouldn't bother with Pianoteq. It comes with some great sounds - definitely close enough for rock and roll.

The feel of the FP90 is absolutely amazing. The hardware presents no constraints whatsoever on my self-expression. Maybe a world class pianist would beg to differ, but there are some great demos out there of this keyboard being put through the paces.


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Hi.

What does mean "GM2 sounds" in the sounds list (other 23-->278) ?
Is there piano sounds includes ?

And does the RD2000 includes these FP90 piano sounds ?

Thanks.


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Originally Posted by bigbang

Hi.

What does mean "GM2 sounds" in the sounds list (other 23-->278) ?
Is there piano sounds includes ?

And does the RD2000 includes these FP90 piano sounds ?

Thanks.


The RD-2000 has many new Acoustic and Electric Piano sounds not found in any other Roland Piano.
In addition to the new sounds the RD-2000 shares many sounds with the RD-800 which has been available for about two years. Many of these sounds are GM or General Midi sounds. GM sounds are not as fancy as the main sounds in the RD-2000. Here's a list of the sounds in the RD-800:

RD-800 soundlist

Here's an hour long youtube video with the sounds in the RD-800:

youtube - RD-800 sounds


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The "general midi" soundset is a list of sounds that need to be included in order to meet the general midi standard. The idea is that if you buy a general midi device, it will be able to play anything composed with a general MIDI soundset. So it'll have your basic instruments like strings, horns, and things like that, as well as a few other effects (thinks low helicopter noise and vocals I think). GM isn't really a big focus on things like digital pianos which focus on the proprietary high quality piano sounds.


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Thank's for your answers.

But what about the FP90 sounds ? Are they include in this RD2000 ?

If The RD2000 has the FP90 sounds, why would I bye the FP90 ? (except for the price and the speakers)


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and the controls, and rainlink, and the expansion slots, and.. ^^


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Hi.
I've just bought the FP90 :-)
I'm testing the settings... I'll upload a video soon for a new cover.

I've sold my ES8. The keyboard feeling is very good !

I've juste 2 questions for the moment :
- Is there a line out level setting ?
I find the sound not very loud with external JBL LSR 305.

- Is there any setting for gain record on USB ?

Thank's and see you soon.


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Tim is not enthralled!

AZPIANONEWS - Roland FP-90 Review


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Taken from another thread:
Originally Posted by Rhodie73
I mentioned this on another forum about my FP90:

I have a strong feeling that the FP90 and RD2000 are using a very (if not same) similar modeling technology. I've noticed that the default FP90 with the ambience feature enabled doesn't sound as great as I would like because the 3D headphone is enabled by default. However if you like the ambience feature (reverb) I strongly suggest you turn the 3D headphone feature off. When that's done after hearing the RD2000 piano demos, they nearly sound identical. I think it's a marketing technique to mention the V-Piano inside of the RD2000, because the Supernatural modeling technology is also V-Piano technology.


Interesting. I'll have to give the FP-90 another listen in a quiet environment - both with phones and it's internal speakers.

Tracking down a place that carries those FP series pianos has historically been difficult here in LA. If anyone gets a line on one, set up in a store to play, please post it. Thanks.

Regarding that review- I've never seen anyone write as much about a DP as Tim. Whew..fatigued from just scrolling down the page of the review. Obviously he's way more into these things then me.

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I totally agree with azpianonews review : too much pedal effect.

I've just found another problem for me : when you record your playing with the keyboard, the equalizer is NOT recorded !
Very strange. You can her the good sound when you play but when you listen the track, no equalizer effect...

I don't think it's possible to record the real sound played throw the FP90.


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