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#2617759 - 02/24/17 06:03 PM Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo
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Registered: 02/24/17
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Loc: United Kingdom
Hello All,

We are building a garden studio (a.k.a. man-shed) and are starting to look for a digital piano to put in it. Because space will be limited, we cannot have both a piano and a stand-alone stereo system; we are thinking of a way to combine the two. I am a recreational player who enjoy playing easy classical pieces. I used to play an acoustic upright (Yamaha U3); quality piano-playing experience will be more important to us than high fidelity of the stereo sound, since we have a good stereo system in the main house.

We have been looking at console digital pianos, and have a pretty good idea of what we want in that category (Kawai CA 67 being the top contender for us). We should be able to connect a music source to the line input of the piano, and play music using the piano's sound system. Alternatively, we could get a slab piano and connect it to a stereo system. With a good pair of speakers, that would result in much better sound for the stereo system (or so do we think); but can we find a slab piano with action comparable to that of the CA 67 in emulating an acoustic piano? We would also need a keyboard stand and a pedal system that would set the piano up for correct posture, etc.

Appreciate your thoughts on this, especially recommendations (if any) for slab keyboards that we should try. Thank you! smile


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#2617760 - 02/24/17 06:12 PM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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I think a shed is not a good environment for wooden actions like those of Kawai. Also the console pianos are all ideal insect nurseries, and the speakers used in the console pianos I've seen inside were all the paper kind, which also don't like the outdoors very much.

A slab with composite (metal/plastic) would be better

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#2617835 - Yesterday at 12:41 AM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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Haven't thought about the climate issue, that's a good point. Our studio will be built as a garden office, with insulation all around and double-glazed windows; so hopefully it'll be OK for a console. Still, it will be a more variable environment than inside of the main house.

Thanks for the suggestion of FP-90. We'll give it a try. We did like HP 603 / 605 and these are contenders too.

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#2617838 - Yesterday at 12:57 AM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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Ah well if the space has some humidity regulation, the fluctuating temperatures within reason will be less of an issue.

The best sounding digital console piano we heard hands down which actually also does a fair job of delivering full range music
was the Roland LX-17. The Kawai CS10/11 would also be in that league - pricewise another story than the CA-67 though ^^
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#2617859 - Yesterday at 05:37 AM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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I know with my house, which is very well insulated, we have rosters above many windows and we keep them open throughout the entire year regardless how cold it is outside. If we don't do that, we get condensation building up.

So, consider adequate ventilation.
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#2617919 - Yesterday at 12:27 PM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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I have a Heat Recovery Ventilator for my kitchen/living room. This is a gadget that blows inside air outside and brings the outside air in, but the magic part is that it has a heat exchanger that transfers most of the heat from the air that's leaving into the air that's incoming as it goes by. So you get the same effect as opening a window, but without losing the heat in the building.

When you live where I do (where the temperature can get to -40 and -50) you don't want to be letting your heat out in the winter but it sure makes a wonderful difference in the inside air quality. The air never gets that stuffy, unpleasant atmosphere that you can get with everything closed up too tightly.
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#2617924 - Yesterday at 12:54 PM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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And now for something completely different =D



This may be of interest to you Alohaneko
Stack / bernoulli ventilation for your garden office ^^
Basically, near the floor inside an opening to draw air out ( colder air ) by way of that black pipe that heats up in (moderate sunshine even ) which heats the air in the pipe and thus causes a draft. Completely passive and maintenance free.
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#2617925 - Yesterday at 12:55 PM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Alohaneko]
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..and may be installed with a little more desirable aesthetics, and with or without the signs.
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#2617972 - Yesterday at 03:28 PM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo syste [Re: Goss]
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Originally Posted By Goss
I think a shed is not a good environment for wooden actions like those of Kawai.


I've had a CS8 since May in what is near enough an unheated room in a mostly unheated house, it's gone from high 20s to 5 or so and both ends of the humidity scale.

It's only the keys that are wooden and even in acoustic pianos those are very rarely the part that has any climate induced issues. The main impact of humidity shifts on acoustics is that the swelling and shrinking of the wooden frame everythings screwed into, the losens the screws leading to lost regulation and a loss of tune.

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#2618088 - Today at 04:25 AM Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo [Re: Alohaneko]
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Registered: 02/24/17
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LOL, Goss, that will fly with the council folks when it comes to getting a planning permission grin Seriously though, we talked to the builder (who does a lot of music studios) and are not worried about climate now. It should be a benign domestic environment.

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#2618115 - 1 minute 11 seconds ago Re: Digital piano as a music player vs slab piano + stereo [Re: Alohaneko]
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grin

Well this is a crude version to be sure, but the outhouse makes the point of purpose clear ^^
There are rooftop profiles to do the same thing, basically making it invisible. Stack / Bernoulli ventilation is simple durable and improves the air quality inside noiselessly ^^

Well with the environment safe, the choice of actions becomes a little wider again. The number of people with issues with all wooden digital actions all were attributed to environmental influence - one dealer on this forum mentioned a near constant stream of service visits to one particular brand's digitals to regulate its actions. Once regulated they stay thus mostly though. Not that wood per se is a weakness, according to this dealer's technician the particular density of the wood was greater than those used in normal acoustics and tended to swell/contract more..

But what is your grand total budget for either a console or slab with active monitors stand etc?



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