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#2618003 - Yesterday at 05:55 PM Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?.....
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Registered: 12/01/09
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Chaps

Trawling YouTube found this....

My hunch is Fatar actions (although whatever it is the claim is 'specially calibrated action'). The website does state the action is made in Italy which to my mind pretty much confirms Fatar. Interesting new product and AMAZINGLY CHEAP (less than £1400 for the top model). 8GB memory (full length samples etc). Newly sampled Steinway. German product.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbWD4U-s8E

Website: (click 'products' then 'keyboards' then 'digital pianos')

https://en.gewamusic.com

Apologies if this has been flagged before but I didn't see it if it was!

Cheers,

Steve

edit: written specs say 1GB for piano sample. I'm sure he says 8GB in the video.


Edited by EssBrace (Yesterday at 05:59 PM)
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#2618009 - Yesterday at 06:26 PM Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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Here's an interview in German about the sampling process:

http://www.keyboards.de/equipment/gewa-piano-sampling/

It says 1.5GB for the Steinway sound, sampled from a D-274 in close cooperation with Steinway during the sampling sessions in Hamburg, sampled with manual (non-robotic) keystrokes in several velocities (doesn't say how many), also close cooperation with Dream from France.

According to this, the piano was presented at NAMM in January 2017.
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#2618015 - Yesterday at 06:57 PM Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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It does sound like he's saying "eight GB of memory". Maybe he actually said "a gigabyte of memory. laugh Sounds nice anyway.

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#2618037 - Yesterday at 09:34 PM Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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I glad to see what might be another worthwhile entry into the digital piano market, especially if it comes without the Clavia Nord price tag. However it might be even harder to get hands on these products. It's already a challenge to test drive non-Yamaha digital pianos without driving hours.

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#2618064 - Today at 01:36 AM Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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Gewa pianos are quite popular in some countries in Europe and they are on the market since few years. They first Release were I thin just rebranded Chinese / Korean pianos, but this look is really great.

I do not know how it sounds and behaves though.

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#2618066 - Today at 02:00 AM Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: kapelli]
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To determine the country of origin the new regulation refers to current provisions of the Council Regulation (EEC) No 2913/92 establishing a Community Customs Code.
According to this regulation the country of origin is where the product was produced. For goods produced in more than one country, the country of origin will be the one where it underwent "the last substantial, economically justified processing" resulting in a new product or representing "an important stage of manufacture". Depending on the result of this test the products have to state the country of origin with a "Made in" + country label

I think considering the price, and unless wages have dropped significantly in Germany, those pianos' last substantial economically justified processing' was the sampling process, possibly the reasons for not opting for robotic fingers to fully comply with the letter of the EU laws. But this may be just me being cynical ^^


Edited by Goss (Today at 02:04 AM)
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#2618078 - 59 minutes 17 seconds ago Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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The video definitely says 8GB (it says the same in the German video). But it also says that there are 20 other, non-piano voices. So I interpret this as: 8Gb memory, whereof 1.5 (figure found in other source) are used by the Steinway samples, the rest for the other voices.

My guess regarding the Made in Germany: A Fatar action + mainly asian manufactured electronics + their own software + software from Dream + cabinet material, all assembled into a DP in Germany. With the assembly in German -> "Made in Germany".
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#2618082 - 39 minutes 29 seconds ago Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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Yes JoBert, all fair assumptions. I do think 6.5GB for the usual rubbish of pads, choirs and organs etc seems like a lot though.

As for country of origin I reckon you're probably right. I don't see it as an issue. I always presume the Bluthner pianos are along the same lines. They talk a lot about them being made in Leipzig alongside the acoustics but I struggle with that concept, given that the starting price is about £1300.

The only thing that matters is the results...

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#2618085 - 20 minutes 21 seconds ago Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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Considering the hollowing out of the middle classes in the EU, ever rising taxes 98% of the people living here, the rising unemployment - I think it does matter when a company states something is made somewhere in the EU, it should perhaps made a little more in the EU wink

My roland was made in Indonesia, and was put together by myself - wonder if I can claim the 30% extra taxes back ^^


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#2618086 - 19 minutes 43 seconds ago Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: EssBrace]
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I was thinking that, too. If the piano truly has 8 GB of memory, I can't imagine large amounts of that relegated to the aux sounds. That would be a silly waste. I really hope the bulk goes into the piano sampling.

As for the place of manufacture ... I'm not very concerned. Is Merkel taking any steps to make German manufacturing great again? If not, this is likely just another east Asian import, with some amount German content.

The real concern: Where am I going to find one of these in the US? Probably nowhere, not ever. frown
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#2618087 - 18 minutes 7 seconds ago Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By MacMacMac
The real concern: Where am I going to find one of these in the US? Probably nowhere, not ever. frown


Probably this Fall, under the Kurzweil brand wink
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#2618089 - 2 minutes 53 seconds ago Re: Anyone aware of this? GEWA piano?..... [Re: Goss]
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Originally Posted By Goss
I think it does matter when a company states something is made somewhere in the EU, it should perhaps made a little more in the EU wink


You don't know. You're speculating about the German or EU content. I appreciate that it matters to some extent but the first question is far more important; is it a good piano? If it's no good then who cares where it's made? None of us will buy it. If it's good and worthy of consideration as a potential purchase and if your conscience requires you to buy something that has had its place of manufacture ethically represented then so be it - take it into consideration then.

Yamaha, Kawai and Roland are quite happy for us to continue to closely associate their brands and products with Japanese manufacture. The vast bulk of their digital piano products are not in fact made in Japan. You'll wait a long time for Roland's own videos to state place of manufacture. They are quite happy to let us assume it's Japan.

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