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#268581 - 05/04/05 01:06 PM Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Rockitman Offline
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Where is a good resource to find the value of used pianos?

I have a 1970 Baldwin Acrosonic console, in very good condition, and will be selling this when I finally decide on a grand.
I have no clue to it's value and need to find a ballpark figure.
Thanks.

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#268582 - 05/04/05 02:53 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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If you trade it in you might get $700-$1000 for it. Selling it outright would probably bring $300-$700.
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#268583 - 05/04/05 03:42 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Rockitman Offline
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Boy that's weird. Just the opposite on cars.
Thanks for the info.

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#268584 - 05/04/05 03:52 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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Steve: You are saying that one can get more by way of trade-in than by private sales. I think that might not be incorrect but it probably has to be qualified.

On a trade-in, it really is not what you get on your trade-in that counts but what the net cost i.e. Cost of the piano being purchased minus the allowance for a trade-in that counts. The dealer could give you a delicious trade-in allowance (compared to private sale price or even a fair price)but if he sells your the new piano at close to full list...
I think a consumer has more leverage in negotiation without the encumbrance of a trade-in...IOW, selling your piano privately and then negotiating the new piano separately might yield a better deal. Of course, to sell it privately increases the hassle factor...so it depends a lot on your personal modus operandi!!!

GC

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#268585 - 05/04/05 04:02 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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GC, I should have qualified the answer. The dealership may give more in trade as he can get more for the used piano. Often, as you say, the deal offered the consumer is better without the trade, however many dealers do a brisk business in used pianos. In those cases you migh do better trading in.
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#268586 - 05/04/05 06:53 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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It also depends on your market area but $300 to $700 sounds pretty low. If it is clean it would be closer to $900 to $1200-$1500. That is a retail price, not wholesale. Visit a few dealers and check and see what they would sell in that vintage.

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#268587 - 05/04/05 07:10 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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Some of the Baldwin Acrosonics were wonderful small pianos.. very nice sound, best of the spinet/consoles that I know of. If you sold it in Cincinnati it would likely bring a bit more.
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#268588 - 05/04/05 09:15 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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#268589 - 05/04/05 10:09 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Rockitman Offline
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Yeah, this Baldwin has served me well. I learned on it and it still sounds as clean as ever. I've just moved on from it as it is very limiting. After playing on grands, it just doesn't do justice. I actually play solely on my Yamaha S90 synth now.
But still, a wonderful piano to get started on.
How much does the value go down for no bench? It has long since departed this planet. \:\(

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#268590 - 05/05/05 06:49 AM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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Interesting! Some of you are giving price ranges without saying that the final price might be determined by the actual condition of the piano in question. Or, is that just assumed?

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#268591 - 05/05/05 01:11 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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Nope. It was explicitly stated in the original post. See above.
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#268592 - 05/05/05 01:38 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Rockitman Offline
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Yes sir. Very good condition. Furniture is unblemished. Piano gets tuned on average every 3 years. Lives in dry climate. Action just like day 1. Only thing missing is the bench and those 2 little knobs on the keyboard lid.
What a wonderful invention in terms of longevity.

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#268593 - 05/05/05 01:49 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Rockitman:
Piano gets tuned on average every 3 years. [/b]
Is this a good or bad thing? I thought tuning mine once a year was bad!
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#268594 - 05/05/05 02:15 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
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Originally posted by Rockitman:
Yes sir. Very good condition. Furniture is unblemished. Piano gets tuned on average every 3 years. Lives in dry climate. Action just like day 1. Only thing missing is the bench and those 2 little knobs on the keyboard lid.
What a wonderful invention in terms of longevity. [/b]
mikhailoh :

Question 1 : Is Rockitman a piano technician and, if not, is he speaking with some technical knowledge when he says the piano is in very good condition?

Question 2 : Is tuning a piano (only) once every 3 years tantamount to abuse, or just neglect?

Question 3 : Have the knobs on the keyboard lid been lost because the piano "lives in a dry climate"? What, in the meantime, has happened to the rest of the piano in this dry climate?

This piano may very well be in very good condition; I'm not saying it isn't. I just want to be sure that Rockitman isn't like one of those benighted individuals who says "Oh, yes, it's been sitting in my basement (attic, garage, wherever!) for years and it's never been played, so it's just like new." Before a price can be put on it, some professional - for lack of a better word - examination of the piano should take place.

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#268595 - 05/05/05 03:22 PM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
mikhailoh Offline
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I think that's going a bit further than we can reasonably go here. If we require tech certification of every statement someone makes here we might as well close it up.

If Rockitman is 'benighted' that truth will come out in the marketplace.
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#268596 - 05/06/05 06:52 AM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Sam Casey Offline
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I service hundreds of Acros dating from the late 1930's to the 1990's. It is not uncommon that after a year's worth of use and season change to find them in excellent tuning. Of course this varies depending on stable enviorns. I also call the customer after a year and hear "still sounds pretty good, call me next time." After 2 or 3 years of this they usually get guilty and have me out. The Acros are still up to pitch and not perfect, not more than 40 minutes of work from it. It is by no means neglect nor is Rockitman's claim not credible.

True enough people look at their pianos/cars/houses/spouses with rose colored glasses and perhaps the finish is a bit rougher than he thinks, hammers might need surfacing, a few buzzing bass strings than he's heard so long that he dosen't notice them, and maybe there is a fine crack or two in the board. Only the tech knows for sure.

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#268597 - 05/06/05 08:49 AM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Rockitman Offline
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Loc: Central Calif
Yes, by no means does my "very good condition" have any technical backing behind it. I am simply an owner who has been very lucky with this piano.
As Sam has said, every tuner who has ever tuned it always remarks about how well its pitch is for not having been tuned in 3 years. They don't spend an hour on it either to get it up to snuff.

But a fine crack or two in the soundboard? Bite you tongue Sam Casey! \:\)

The only reason I wish to part with it is to upgrade to a piano with an action that is more controllable. The Baldwin is superlight and PP playing is tough.

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#268598 - 05/06/05 09:09 AM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
mikhailoh Offline
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Loc: Cincinnati
Rockitman, where are you located?
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#268599 - 05/06/05 10:25 AM Re: Baldwin Acrosonic Console value
Rockitman Offline
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Loc: Central Calif
I'm located in Central Calif.
Not much to choose from in new pianos from local dealers, unless you have $60,000 for the Steinway L I like. \:\)
I don't like Yamaha and the Kawai dealer doesn't keep any of the RX Grands in stock. And he's also trying to sell me a Pearl River sight unseen. The Bostons at the Steinway dealer are overpriced. Guess I'll have to run to Bay Area to see the other brands mentioned here.

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