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#288823 - 12/03/08 10:18 PM Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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Greetings,

I have a friend who is a really good jazz pianist and we like to frequent one of the local dealers who has some very nice pianos.

I brought my recorder with me the other day and we recorded a couple tunes that I thought turned out pretty good, and I would like to know if any forum members would like to try and guess the type of piano, size, etc. If not, at least I think you will enjoy the songs. Thanks!

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#288824 - 12/03/08 10:37 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
charleslang Offline
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Trick question; it's a digital piano with Quantum Leap set on Bösendorfer.
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#288825 - 12/03/08 10:55 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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I guess it could sound kind of like a digital piano, it was in tune and not a baby grand. You can notice that sometimes the player's touch is a little on the heavy side and the tone is affected.

I think the performance ability of the pianist certainly shows well, and I don't think digital actions are that good so as to have a pianist execute as well or with the same technique.

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#288826 - 12/03/08 10:57 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
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Is the reverb added? This can't be in a store, can it?

It definitely sounds like a big piano (over 7', probably 7'6")

And hey, this type of thread looks familiar...
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#288827 - 12/03/08 11:01 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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Hi NewGuy,

I enjoyed your recent post and just couldn't resist!

The recording was made at the dealer, and I did add some reverb.

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#288828 - 12/03/08 11:05 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
scepticalforumguy Offline
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Could you take out the reverb and put them back on? It sounds good, but harder to tell what it might be. It might be a Shigeru, or a really big Schimmel. Bosie?
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#288829 - 12/03/08 11:13 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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Newguy - I think the lack of reverb on your recordings actually made it hard to tell, but you are on the right track here. Because it was at the dealer, a little reverb was needed because I wanted my friend's recordings to turn out really good. I just hope everyone enjoys the songs!

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#288830 - 12/04/08 12:07 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Jeff Bauer Offline
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Sounds American.

Harmonics aren't quite like mason...

Maybe a Baldwin SF10, or SD10.

If it's a steinway, I think they need to level the strings.

Your friend is a terrific player. I liked the version very much.
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#288831 - 12/04/08 12:20 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
charleslang Offline
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I thought American because of the low tenor and bass but the high tenor sounds European to me. Doesn't distort when it's hit loud.

I say Blüthner Model 2, 7'8".
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#288832 - 12/04/08 12:24 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
88Key_PianoPlayer Offline
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Hmmm... it's kind-of hard to tell if only due to my lack of experience....
I do enjoy the overall tone.
Some characteristics in the middle couple octaves of the piano sound like a Bosendorfer, specifically the hammer attack and initial sustain/decay of the notes in that range. And even if it's not a Bosendorfer, it does have a European sound to it, IMO.
One thing that's making it hard to tell what size the piano is, though, is the relatively low bass/tenor break, and the relatively weak sounding bass (at least compared to the Rubenstein R-371).
I'm fairly sure the bass/tenor break is at E2/F2.
The low bass does not sound like a concert grand, though.... sounds like it could use some voicing in that area, as I've played some 5'8" grands that sounded better.

Is it a Hamburg Steinway B?

P.S. I'm not really a fan of some of the modern funky / weird chord / whatever it is "jazz" that's often played these days.... for example I sometimes hear a few locals play them at my local PTG meetings. These tunes, however, are quite enjoyable to my ear.
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#288833 - 12/04/08 12:28 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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I am really impressed with you guys, because of the specific comments you are making. Probably you are able to have a definite opinion because the piano was very well prepped. As a result, the pianist could really get into it while playing. I am not trying to play any games and will not have you waiting much longer to find out.

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#288834 - 12/04/08 01:38 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
charleslang Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by 88Key_PianoPlayer:
and the relatively weak sounding bass (at least compared to the Rubenstein R-371).
[/b]
:rolleyes:

\:D \:D
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#288835 - 12/04/08 01:45 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
charleslang Offline
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The R-371, for anyone who isn't familiar, is a piano-shaped futuristic dystopia horror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0aPtDv3qyk&feature=related

(And only one exists... we must destroy it before it takes over the world! )
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#288836 - 12/04/08 02:27 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
charleslang Offline
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Please bracket the last post ... I don't want to hijack the thread!

\:o
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#288837 - 12/04/08 03:02 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
stanw909 Offline
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Suzuki?

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#288838 - 12/04/08 03:04 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Damz Offline
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The bass is fairly rich and the trebles are very clear, indicating that it has to be a rather long (over 6 feet).

Is it a Hailun HG198?

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#288839 - 12/04/08 05:30 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Deon van aswegen Offline
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Registered: 09/09/08
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Sounds Japanese to me. Although the upper treble is a bit thin.

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#288840 - 12/04/08 11:30 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Gregor Offline
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My guess is a extremly well tuned Yamaha grand piano.

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#288841 - 12/04/08 11:32 AM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Gregor Offline
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When the puzzle is solved: could you please provide us with information how you made this recording? How many microphones, where positioned, what recorder? Or was it just a built in stereo micro?

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#288842 - 12/04/08 12:23 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Furtwangler Offline
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Loc: Danville, California
Yamaha C7

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#288843 - 12/04/08 12:49 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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Registered: 05/01/04
Posts: 19
The recordings were very simple to make, using a Samson H2 SD portable audio recorder, found here:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/05/03/samsons-zoom-h2-sd-voice-recorder/

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#288844 - 12/04/08 01:00 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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88Key_PianoPlayer says:

I'm fairly sure the bass/tenor break is at E2/F2.
The low bass does not sound like a concert grand, though.... sounds like it could use some voicing in that area, as I've played some 5'8" grands that sounded better.

Is it a Hamburg Steinway B?

That's amazing! I had the piano checked, and sure enough, the bass/tenor break is at E2/F2. Guess it needs a little voicing then!

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#288845 - 12/04/08 04:27 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Art Olson Offline
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Lots of sustain pedal makes it hard to tell.
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#288846 - 12/04/08 05:01 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
duncantwo Offline
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Registered: 10/16/07
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my guess is a 7'+ Yamaha (C7 or S7), in very good tune.

2nd guess would be a hamburg B.

88key,
do you have perfect pitch? your correct call of the break is most impressive!

and to jeff bauer,
why do you say that if it's indeed a steinway, the strings should be leveled? what does having unlevel strings do to the tone and how can you tell from a recording? is this a common problem on steinways? moreso than on other pianos?
sorry for all the questions, but i just haven't heard of that before.
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#288847 - 12/04/08 06:36 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
sophial Offline
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I don't think it's a Hamburg S&S-- the tone is not sumptuous enough.

I'm thinking a large Yamaha or possibly Baldwin.

Oh, and the playing is great! Love those arrangements!

Sophia

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#288848 - 12/04/08 06:54 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
whippen boy Offline
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The tone is a bit brassy for my taste, but at least it seems rather clear. The bass seems to be coming from a large piano (7' at least).

I hear some dampers not damping on a couple of the bass notes - it seems to be a momentary thing that doesn't repeat.

I'm going to guess that it is not European or American. \:\)
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#288849 - 12/04/08 07:27 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
charleslang Offline
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I'm changing mine back to one of the ultra-high-end pianos. It might just be the reverb that gets me, but I'll go with Bösendorfer, not the imperial, but bigger than 7 feet.
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#288850 - 12/04/08 07:41 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
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My guess is a very large Kawai. It is very, very well recorded. I am very interested to know how you did this recording.
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#288851 - 12/04/08 09:04 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
Mark... Offline
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Originally posted by victor kam:
My guess is a very large Kawai. It is very, very well recorded. I am very interested to know how you did this recording. [/b]
He said a Zoom 2...158.00 on Amazon

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#288852 - 12/04/08 09:48 PM Re: Your input please -- Guess the piano used in these nice jazz recordings...
rick78654 Offline
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I agree that the piano could have been voiced a little bit mellower, but remember that this is some pretty heavy duty jazz playing that would bring out some brashness in just about any piano!

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