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#296432 - 04/30/04 02:02 PM Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
alevans Offline
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I'm looking to buy a new piano--really our first. My playing ability is moderate--mostly popular music. I'd like my children to learn piano as well (the oldest, at 8, is just starting). I really like the sound of the Yamahas, and have essentially narrowed the choice between their two lower-end baby grands, the GA1E and GC1, which sell at my dealer for around $9000 and $13,000, respectively. (My budget wouldn't allow for more than that).

Does anyone have any view on the quality differences? Is it worth the extra $4000 to get the GC1? The GC1 is 5'3" (vs. 4'11" for the GA1E), and it also features duplex scaling and other features that the GA1E does not. In the showroom I couldn't tell a lot of difference in sound(I think it's difficult to detect subtle differences under those conditions), but have the feeling I could tell once it got to my house and I had more time to play it.

I know many consider grands that small (under 5'8") to be of mediocre quality; do people think that the GC1 (which is the same size as Yamaha's C1)would satisfy most people in terms of action, dynamic range and bass? And same question for the GA1E?

Any ideas would be much appreciated!

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#296433 - 04/30/04 02:21 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
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If you really like the sound of Yamaha, I'd buy neither.

I'd take my money, and start hunting a good used C2, or if you get really lucky, a good used C3, at the higher end of your range.
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#296434 - 04/30/04 03:24 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
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Or consider something like a Young Chang PG-150 (4'11 1/2") or PG-157 (5'2") like I did. I went with a PG-150. I also looked at these two Yamaha's and wasn't impressed with their overly tinny treble and lack of bass growl. (I'm not talking about the C series here!) I preferred the YC PG-150 to both of these Yamaha's. I also perfered some of the smaller Samick models as well These are all in the same price range as these two Yamaha's. For the most part, people on this forum aren't big on the smallest, cheapest Yamahas... (some aren't big on YC either) ...

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#296435 - 05/01/04 05:18 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
alevans Offline
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Registered: 04/29/04
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Thanks for your helpful advice. If I decided to spend some additional money and go for the Yamaha C2, can you tell me what would be a decent price to buy it new? And is the C2 a good instrument in terms of bass and dynamic range? (I do like the Yamahas). Thanks.

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#296436 - 05/02/04 06:45 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
alevans Offline
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I haven't gotten any posts yet to my question yesterday, and wanted to supplement it by noting that our local Yamaha dealer quoted around $18,000 for a new C2 (polished ebony). I've searched a few threads and this seems it may be somewhat on the high side (although I suspect prices have probably gone up in the past couple years). Any thoughts on the price quoted, and if it is high, any ideas on how to back up my presenting a lower offer? (I have decided that I would like to purchase a Yamaha). Thanks.

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#296437 - 05/02/04 06:57 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
librarymichael Offline
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Registered: 01/22/03
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Loc: midwest
Have you looked at Larry Fine's The Piano Book and/or its annual supplement? Pages 42 to 48 of the 2003-2004 annual supplement discuss piano pricing, etc. The remainder of the supplement gives brand names, models, finishes, and prices.

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#296438 - 05/02/04 06:59 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
librarymichael Offline
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Also according to Fine's '03-'04 supplement the "list price" of a polished ebony C2 is in the $21,000 range.

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#296439 - 05/02/04 07:10 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
Frank R Offline
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Registered: 07/16/03
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Loc: Anaheim Hills, CA
Don't know your search area but when I was shopping for a new piano I visited a dealer in So.CAL that had 2 used C-3s both were in the $12,000 range. I'm not sure about age or condition but they looked to be in good shape.
I think you could also get a good used Kawai RX-2 or RX-3 in that price range. I thought they were both nice pianos.

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#296440 - 05/02/04 10:33 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
alevans Offline
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Registered: 04/29/04
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Thanks very much for your advice. I'll try to find a copy of Fine's supplement in the bookstore. Any other thoughts are welcome.

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#296441 - 05/03/04 04:28 PM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
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Yammies typically go for 20% off Fine's supplement. So that puts us in the 17K ballpark, same as a Kawai RX-2.

I'm still touting used, at this point, if we stick to the original 12K upper limit. Steve Miller has made mention several times that good deals can be had in used piano market, in the L.A. area. I betcha that with some legwork, and patience, you can find a nice C series, less than 10 years old, within budget.
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#296442 - 05/04/04 05:55 AM Re: Yamaha GA1E vs. GC1
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Registered: 09/22/03
Posts: 23
Alevans,

The C3 is the one to really go for. Play it and you'll realise that only the C3 and above is when you'd get the real grand piano sound in yamaha. Anything smaller than that, I'd just stick with a good U1 or U3.

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