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#304674 - 05/11/06 01:26 PM "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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I am looking to purchase a used grand under 6' and was really trying to get something that had a sweet (bell-like) sound. Any suggestions?

I have tried the Steinway M but did not find one that I liked. I have also tried the Yamaha's and other but all sounded too thin to my ears.

I remember taking lessons a long time ago and my teacher had an old Mason & Hamlin Model A that I also thought had a beautiful tone so was thinking this would be a good choice.

Any suggestions would be most helpful as I have just started my search.

Thanks \:\)

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#304675 - 05/11/06 01:35 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Works1:
I am looking to purchase a used grand under 6' and was really trying to get something that had a sweet (bell-like) sound. Any suggestions?

I have tried the Steinway M but did not find one that I liked. I have also tried the Yamaha's and other but all sounded too thin to my ears.

I remember taking lessons a long time ago and my teacher had an old Mason & Hamlin Model A that I also thought had a beautiful tone so was thinking this would be a good choice.

Any suggestions would be most helpful as I have just started my search.

Thanks \:\) [/b]
The M&H A is an excellent choice for having great sustain for a 5'8" sized piano. You may also gravitate toward the quality European models, which have a reputation for "sweeter" sounds.

Personally, the new Sauter scale (around 200cm) sounds to have very beautiful ringing tones in the middle register to my ear, while at the same time having much depth in the low end.
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#304676 - 05/11/06 01:38 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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I used a very "sweet" sounding 5'10" Schimmel over the course of several summers. Nice action, good tuning stability, and really held up well. My only complaint about the piano was that the sound quality was ALWAYS sweet, even when I played it aggressively.
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#304677 - 05/11/06 01:40 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Vogel, Pleyel - if there is an under 6', Estonia
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#304678 - 05/11/06 01:43 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Would agree on the comment regarding the Sauter sound in general. My Delta (185cm) has a particularly sweet mid range and treble, with significant depth in the bass as well. I was not aware of any 200cm model however, unless you're talking about the Peter Maly Vivace (which is largely based on the Delta scale in any case)
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#304679 - 05/11/06 01:47 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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If your budget permits, you should definitely check out the M&H A. I have one, and the primary factor that made me choose it over several others I tried (Shigeru Kawai, Boston, Estonia, Bechstein, among others) is that I felt the M&H had the strongest, most bell-like treble that sung out clearly over the (not inconsiderable) bass. I also think that at 5'8", the M&H A comes the closest to matching the power of a 6' or 6'2" piano that I've played.

...But of course the most important thing is to play as many pianos as you can. \:\)
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#304680 - 05/11/06 01:56 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Wzkit:
Would agree on the comment regarding the Sauter sound in general. My Delta (185cm) has a particularly sweet mid range and treble, with significant depth in the bass as well. I was not aware of any 200cm model however, unless you're talking about the Peter Maly Vivace (which is largely based on the Delta scale in any case) [/b]
Wzkit,

It could very well have been the 185 that I played last year--I didn't ask for details of the instrument and simply used my eyeball to estimate the size. Perhaps I also used my ears to measure, as it sounded larger than 185!

What I do know is that the instrument had a newly designed scale (as of 2005). Could this be the "Delta" model to which you refer?
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#304681 - 05/11/06 01:56 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Works1,

Not just because our company sells these brands (and I'm most familiar with them), when you used the word "sweet", the Schimmel and Estonia came to mind.

The 168 Estonia is a very warm and sweet scale, not too heavy in the base (especially for a 5'6" piano), but a very sweet treble and mid-range.

The 169 Schimmel also comes to mind. It, too, has a beautiful soft and sweet tone.

Plus, both of these instruments are thousands and thousands less that a Steinway.

Good luck and do keep us posted.

Paul
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#304682 - 05/11/06 02:08 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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I would also consider the Pramberger and the Knabe. Depending on how you define "sweet" they might just satisfy you. And, for the price, you can get a considerably larger instrument.
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#304683 - 05/11/06 02:48 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
Wzkit Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by ipgrunt:

It could very well have been the 185 that I played last year--I didn't ask for details of the instrument and simply used my eyeball to estimate the size. Perhaps I also used my ears to measure, as it sounded larger than 185!

What I do know is that the instrument had a newly designed scale (as of 2005). Could this be the "Delta" model to which you refer? [/b]
Possibly, I don't know the specific details about any changes to the Delta scale. Perhaps you could also be talking about the 220 Omega, though that's quite in a different class altogether. YOu're quite right though, that the Delta sounds larger than its size, at least the equal of a Shigeru SK-5 (197cm).
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#304684 - 05/11/06 03:01 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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I've been very pleased with my M&H "A" for the nearly 30 years I've had it.

Here is some advice: don't dismiss any brand or model until you have played at least several of them. The more the better.
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#304685 - 05/11/06 03:07 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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I've love my Petrof 5'8" grand. It has a warm, dark, bell-like tone. I want to say a masculine tone. It projects well. When you say "sweet" do you mean "bright?"
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#304686 - 05/11/06 11:23 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
Kelana Offline
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And nobody mentions the Bluthner Model 10. (general disgruntlement from biased owner) ;-)
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#304687 - 05/11/06 11:59 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Reminds me of this old thread: What is meant by the term "bell-like treble" ?[/b]

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/1/12670.html

Various combinations of "sweet" and "bell-like" :

cow bell drenched in maple syrup
sleigh bell drenched in honey
dinner bell sprinkled with confectionary sugar
fire alarm bell splattered with syrup-soaked pancakes from a food fight
hotel reception desk bell dropped into milk shake
silver bell on wedding cake
bicycle bell dropped in a big cup of ice cream
etc.

So which piano is which? ;\)
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#304688 - 05/12/06 12:09 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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A clean clear suatained tone somewhat reminisent of a xylophone.
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#304689 - 05/12/06 12:29 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
pianobuilder Offline
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Registered: 12/27/05
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Steve Cohen:
I would also consider the Pramberger and the Knabe. Depending on how you define "sweet" they might just satisfy you. And, for the price, you can get a considerably larger instrument. [/b]
Telling people to select a piano based on price per inch, with the larger piano offering more at a given price point than another one simply because it is longer is very bad advice and shows a lack of understanding of tonality and performance. Also, recommending a Korean or Indonesian built piano to someone looking at Mason Hamlins and asking for a sweet and bell like treble reeks of salesman, not musician or technician. Neither of these pianos can compete in the class of instrument where terms like bell-like treble or sweet are part of the equation, especially in the under 6' range.

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#304690 - 05/12/06 02:29 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
Norbert Offline
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In *sweetness-bell-like* sound under 6' size, the Estonia 5'6 gotta be the singular world champion.

Certainly *not* recommended for Diabetics...

Norbert ;\)
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#304691 - 05/12/06 09:15 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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In your quest you simply MUST play a Bohemia piano. After 17 months of playing my Bohemia I feel confident to now post that its magnificent tone continues to tug at my heartstrings.

I STILL feel as if my piano is a living and breathing thing – it has SOUL.

The BEST advice I chose to heed when doing my piano purchase research here on PW was this:

Buy the piano that makes YOUR heart sing!![/b]

Daria
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#304692 - 05/12/06 10:05 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Sigh...
  • M&H = cow bell drenched in maple syrup
  • Estonia = sleigh bell drenched in honey
  • Schimmel/Vogel = dinner bell sprinkled with confectionary sugar
  • Sauter = fire alarm bell splattered with syrup-soaked pancakes from a food fight
  • Blüthner = hotel reception desk bell dropped into milk shake
  • Pramberger & Knabe = silver bell on wedding cake
  • Bohemia = bicycle bell dropped in a big cup of ice cream
  • Pleyel = church bell in Hershey syrup rain
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#304693 - 05/12/06 10:11 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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\:D \:D

I beg to differ, Ax; there is nothing remotely cow-like about my M&H A.
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#304694 - 05/12/06 10:27 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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But... but... but... I was referring to high-end German hand-crafted pure brass "Tier-1" cow bells. \:D
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#304695 - 05/12/06 10:36 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
Les Koltvedt Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Monica Kern:
\:D \:D

I beg to differ, Ax; there is nothing remotely cow-like about my M&H A. [/b]
I think they weigh as much as a cow...maybe a bull \:D
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#304696 - 05/12/06 10:51 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
Roy123 Offline
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Estonia 168, and at a lower price scale, Kawai RX-2

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#304697 - 05/12/06 11:52 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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MISter Ax:
 Quote:
Bohemia = bicycle bell dropped in a big cup of ice cream
Yummmmmmmmy!!!![/b]



\:D \:D Daria ;\) :p
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#304698 - 05/12/06 12:53 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
Les Koltvedt Offline
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too good...I take one of those too
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#304699 - 05/12/06 11:53 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Works, did you get my private message?

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#304700 - 05/13/06 09:55 AM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Right on Daria!!That ice cream looks good Daria! It looks as sweet as my Bohemia! I've had mine almost a month and it still makes me feel like I am in heaven whenever I play it!! I have to pinch myself sometimes when I play it because I feel like I am dreaming when I hear the sweet singing tone come out of that Bohemia!
:3hearts:

You should also try a Petrof too. I had an upright for years and it had a sweet tone to it as well.However I think the Bohemias have better action than the Petrof. I hear Estonias are good too, although I have never played one.

Play as many different pianos as you can before you decide. After all you are going to be the one playing it!
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#304701 - 05/13/06 12:45 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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Seiler also makes a 168 that has an incredibly bell like tone in the treble, possibly the best I have heard (I have also heard and played the MH, Estonia, Bluthner, Schimmel, Petrof).

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#304702 - 05/13/06 12:57 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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OMG axtremus....ROFL
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#304703 - 05/13/06 02:36 PM Re: "sweetest bell-like" sounding grand under 6'
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But... but... but... I was referring to high-end German hand-crafted pure brass "Tier-1" cow bells.
Germany doesn't make any.

Switzerland does.

Norbert :p
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