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#335049 - 09/29/06 08:26 PM Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
gracegodby61 Offline
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Registered: 09/25/06
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Loc: Missouri
I'm considering two baby grand pianos, both would be new. One is a Wyman WG145 (4'9")for $6100 and the other is a Henry F. Miller HMG063, 5'3" for $6900. Which one is the better piano and how about pricing?

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#335050 - 09/29/06 08:30 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
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Keep shopping. Prices are not particularly good and neither are the pianos.
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#335051 - 09/29/06 08:47 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
gracegodby61 Offline
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Registered: 09/25/06
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Loc: Missouri
What kind of baby grand piano would you suggest for under $7K?

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#335052 - 09/30/06 01:50 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
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Registered: 12/14/05
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Loc: St. Louis, MO
I agree with Steve Cohen. You should try a Remington RG150 (5' Baby Grand)in my opinion it's one of the best pianos under $7,000.00 that you could buy. Their quality control is very good, they stay in tune very well, they even come in out of the box pretty much in tune. Their sandcast plate instead of a vacuum sealed plate helps elimate harsh overtones often found in less expensive baby grands.
For a little more you could have a Kawai GM10.

What kind of music do you like? Who will be playing this piano. Is furniture style important to you?
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#335053 - 09/30/06 02:08 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
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Registered: 02/15/06
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Originally posted by pro_keyboardconsultant:
Their sandcast plate instead of a vacuum sealed plate helps elimate harsh overtones often found in less expensive baby grands.
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Careful there,

This is the kind of nonsense that needs to be corrected. The statement you just made has little connection to reality.
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#335054 - 09/30/06 05:26 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
canonball Offline
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Registered: 08/16/06
Posts: 95
Loc: Austin, TX USA
Gee, for 1000.00 more you can get a Suzuki 7' from Costco./s

Seriously, Check out the Nordiska 4'9" or 5' IMO a better quality piano for close to the same money. Doesn't the Wyman have a laminated soundboard?
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#335055 - 09/30/06 05:44 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
daifanshi Offline
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Registered: 03/23/04
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Originally posted by pro_keyboardconsultant:
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Their sandcast plate instead of a vacuum sealed plate helps elimate harsh overtones often found in less expensive baby grands.
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From my experience with different types of metal casting processes, either method should produce an acceptable iron casting. The purpose of the plate is to provide a very low-Q supporting structure for the the strings and the alloys used in either case are probably identical. Cast iron is very good in this regard. It can also deal very well with compression loads. It's similar to concrete. Someone should build a concrete plate! \:\)

I would guess that those few aluminum plates from the last century probably didn't work very well since the plate should be acoustically dead.

The major differences appear when looking at the economics of which method to use. So called "sand-casting" can use purely gravity to fill the mold, which for a large piece can be difficult to control. That's why many old pianos develop cracks because of old flaws in the structure. This type of casting is usually good for smaller volumes.

I'm not sure what's meant by a "vacuum sealed" plate. Probably doesn't mean it's wrapped in plastic. \:\)

More likely it is "vacuum assisted" where gravity is helped by a vacuum pump to help fill the mold and eliminate voids, whether it is sand,resin, rubber or whatever type of mold. If you're making a lot of plates, one would want to maximize the yield and this is one way of doing it. Also, this is a good way of promoting consistency between plates when used in concert with a accurate casting method like a tooled steel mold. A consistently produced plate can improve yield further down the manufacturing process, like when it comes time to fit it to the cabinet.

There appears to be some folklore surrounding "sand casting" since "that's the way they did it back in the 19th century" and its recent use as a selling point.

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#335056 - 10/01/06 03:00 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
Jazzbo Offline
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#335057 - 10/13/06 11:49 PM Re: Henry F. Miller or Wyman WG145
Agathis Offline
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Registered: 08/06/05
Posts: 420
Loc: Southwest
pretty sure you could get a wyman 5 footer around here for 4900 or so...

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