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#338944 - 08/30/08 10:53 AM Yamaha M450TC
griz326 Offline
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Registered: 07/16/08
Posts: 4
Loc: Montana
I know nothing about pianos, but I searched on the 450 and came up with a number of hits.

My interpretation of the posts is that it is a piece of junk unless you buy it right.

The 450 we looked at last night was in beautiful, cosmetic shape and our 18 year old piano player said played well and sounded good.

They want $4200 for the piano...vintage 1999.

One Steve Cohen post said they were selling new for $3k. And when I did an internet search I saw them used-delivered anywhere in the USA for $3k.

Am I correct? ...or is it possible that there is another flavor of 9 year old 450 used to teach piano worth $4200?

Is there a little "bluebook" for pianos? (I found the bluebook on the web but was not overwhelmed with confidence in its credibility)

What I hope to find is a listing of piano manufacturers - year/model - high/low values. Does this exist?

And is there a small book that addresses the quality instruments built by "off-shore" or east European manufacturers?


BTW - My piano player started at age 5 and is 18. She plays nicely but not expertly, however, she enjoys playing. When she goes to university next year, I'll get her a keyboard...but for now she wants a real piano.

BUDGET - I'd like to target the $3k range, but I'd rather spend $8-9K and be confidant I've got an instrument rather than cheap out and buy junk.

LOCATION - Living in rural Montana does not provide many used opportunities - except through dealers who strike me as high brow used car salesmen.

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#338945 - 08/30/08 08:45 PM Re: Yamaha M450TC
Marty Flinn Offline
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Registered: 11/25/06
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The M450TC was built in Thomaston, GA Yamaha factory. This factory was closed in March 2007. The final units we sold new went for just under $3500. $4200 sounds high for a nine year old specimen. I don't know the Montana market, however.

For $8-9k you can buy a new professional series, top of the line Yamaha, and many more.

Buy the way, thanks for the kind words for dealers. Best of luck.
Co-Author of The Complete Idiot's Guide To Buying A Piano. A "must read" before you shop.
Work for west coast dealer for Yamaha, Schimmel, Bosendorfer, Wm. Knabe.

#338946 - 08/31/08 02:14 AM Re: Yamaha M450TC
griz326 Offline
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Registered: 07/16/08
Posts: 4
Loc: Montana
Thank you for the information, Marty. My apologies for my impression, but it is my honest impression so far. I hope/expect my first impressions to change as I gain more experience as a buyer.

#338947 - 09/01/08 04:02 PM Re: Yamaha M450TC
asd123321 Offline
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Registered: 06/26/05
Posts: 689
under $2000 for the 450. Try a new Kawai K3 ($5000 area) or Yamaha T118 $3500 for a better sound.

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