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Hello, everyone! Hope all your summers are going well. My project (hopefully soon to be completed :rolleyes: ) is Beethoven's Waldstein Sonata (Sonata #21 in C Major, Opus 53). I HATED it at the beginning, but now I am bound and determined to get the Rondo and Prestissimo movements up to tempo without sounding like the complete mess it does now. In fact, as I've played it, it's grown on me more and more and now I can't stop! Actually, the room my piano is in has no ceiling fan or air conditioning, so I have both windows open and I'm half-expecting the neighbors to start throwing heavy objects at me soon if I don't stop playing it on a continuous loop. However, here's where my question is. I know this is a really stupid question, but do you pronounce the name of the sonata Wald-STEEN or Wald-STINE? This has really been bugging me for a couple of days now. I have the Appassionata Sonata on hold for when I *finally* complete this--should I expect it to be harder or easier? Thanks so much, everyone, for listening to me ramble! Kelsey
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I love this sonata. It is a b**** at full speed depending on your level of technique, but it is so rewarding in the end; especially the third movement. The transition between the ending of the second movement and the crosshanded portion of the third movement is so sweet it makes me smile.
My last teacher pronounced it Vald-sh-tah-een. With a German accent I suppose.
Good luck with it! It is a wonderful masterpiece.
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Vald-shtine
with the accent on the first syllable
and don't pronounce the 'd' so much
dedicated to Count Waldstein, who was one of Beethoven's early patrons/friends.
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Valt-stine
Unfortunately, I can't display the actual phonetic of stein, but EI in German is a long I
Frequently, in English, anything stein comes out as a long E.
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Pj is right-'tis Valshteen ^-^ And welcome back Pj, haven't seen you in a while! Hang on, let me make a really controversial thread...
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Bern-steen or Bern-stine?
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Originally posted by I'm Liszt's coffee pal.: Pj is right-'tis Valshteen ^-^
And welcome back Pj, haven't seen you in a while! Hang on, let me make a really controversial thread...
Now wait a minute - you say Valshteen and I say Valshtine...! :p I haven't been around in a while, because I have been here instead: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~samzerin/birthright/index.html (haven't finished putting up all the pictures yet...)
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You guys are the best! Now I can tell people what I'm playing and sound REALLY impressive with my faux German accent and everything Thanks so much! Kelsey
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Originally posted by I'm Liszt's coffee pal.: Pj is right-'tis Valshteen ^-^
And welcome back Pj, haven't seen you in a while! Hang on, let me make a really controversial thread...
I think I already took care of that. As for Beethoven, I pronounce it "Opus Fifty-Three."
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Originally posted by pianojerome: Bern-steen or Bern-stine? I say Leonard BernSTINE and Elmer BernSTEEN. pianogurl: I thought I'd ask you age old question when somebody is learning the Waldtein: are you playing the glissandi or redistributing?
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Originally posted by pianojerome: Originally posted by I'm Liszt's coffee pal.: [b] Pj is right-'tis Valshteen ^-^ And welcome back Pj, haven't seen you in a while! Hang on, let me make a really controversial thread... Now wait a minute - you say Valshteen and I say Valshtine...! :p
I haven't been around in a while, because I have been here instead:
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~samzerin/birthright/index.html
(haven't finished putting up all the pictures yet...) [/b]Haha oops, Valshtein!! Sorry So you've been on a webpage all this time.
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Waldstein is a family name, but for the sake of pronunciation, it's made up of the components 'Wald' = forest, and 'Stein' = stone. Being a family name, it would never be translated, just as you wouldn't translate 'Bach' to 'brook', even though 'Bach' means 'brook'.
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Bruce, I attended a concert of the organist Pierre Grandmaison in Montreal about a month ago. It was a private concert sponsored by a conference that my dad was attending, and on the e-mail announcement/itinerary it said we would hear the Big House concert. (really)
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Sam :
That is really funny! Obviously some be-nighted soul thought s/he was showing her/his erudition by knowing what 'grand(e) maison' means!
Wonderful! I love it!
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Originally posted by blaude: pianogurl: I thought I'd ask you age old question when somebody is learning the Waldtein: are you playing the glissandi or redistributing? I'm working on the sonata too, so here's what I do: I don't play glissandos, instead, I play the first note of the scale in octave in the right hand while the left hand gets in position for the rest of the scale from F and down two octaves. When the same thing comes in the left hand, I do something quite awkward: again, I play the lowest octave with the left hand alone and then the rest of that scale with both hands. But for the last left-hand scale where there are chords in the right hand (bar 468), I play the G, H and D with the right hand and the two notes that follow in the scale (A and H) with right and left hand, then I jump with the right hand to the D and F and skip the last four octaves in the left hand, just playing single notes. In the bar that follows, I play the higher G that Beethoven wrote out for the left hand with the right hand together with C and E. Hope it makes sense, it kind of works for me but I don't know anyone else who does this. I can't play octave glissandos so I have to do something else...
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ejsauter: Frequently, in English, anything stein comes out as a long E.I think you mean in American :p . However, in English, perhaps as we have always been a bit closer to Germany[1], the common pronunciation is fairly close to the native. And after all, for the surname of that clever Albert fellow, no-one actually says 'Einsteen' instead of 'Einstine', do they[2]? - Michael B. [1] Perhaps a little too close, some of the older British generation might say... [2] Not even Americans surely?
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Ummm, fnork .... You play the key of H? ABCDEFGH? I don't think so!
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You are correct, Michael B. I should have said American. Sorry.
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Originally posted by lagin: Ummm, fnork .... You play the key of H? ABCDEFGH? I don't think so! H is perfectly correct.
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Originally posted by lagin: Ummm, fnork .... You play the key of H? ABCDEFGH? I don't think so! H = B
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