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#369960 - 11/10/07 10:01 AM Re: Chopin's Nocturne in C# Minor
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No reason to dismiss a piece because it doesn't stand up to one's standard of technical difficulty. Art should not be judged by it's technical difficulty, but by it's beauty. Chopin's opinion of music would agree, I think. That is why his works are so beautiful regardless of the difficulty. Besides, what is the point if a piece is wholly unaccessible by most? Beethoven's Moonlight sonata is what turned me on to classical as a child, and Chopin's C# minor prelude is what turned me on to Chopin recently -- both easy pieces while extremely beautiful, and both never get old or boring.
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#369961 - 11/10/07 02:33 PM Re: Chopin's Nocturne in C# Minor
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Registered: 05/26/06
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My opinion is that it is a beautiful piece of music. I judge a piece based on my reaction to it and I don't really care if it's popular, or technically simple to learn or play.

I've never understood why people are upset that it was used in the "Pianist" film.

It's one thing to use Ravel's "Jeux D'eau" in a commercial for sports cars, but it's completely different to use a composition of Chopin's in a serious film about a Polish pianist who survives the holocaust. I think it was a quite appropriate thing to do. Dare I say that Chopin himself might not have had a problem with it.
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#369962 - 11/11/07 08:35 AM Re: Chopin's Nocturne in C# Minor
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I wonder if sometimes it's those "easy" works that can seem the toughest to play beautifully.
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#369963 - 11/12/07 06:28 PM Re: Chopin's Nocturne in C# Minor
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Am I missing something here?? I haven't had time to read all these posts but from what I gather this fabulous piece is being dismissed because of it's simplicity?
That's bonkers!!

It makes no difference, obviously, how easy a piece is to play!!
Anyway, any piece with 'ppp' in it is not easy to play.

Not many can play this piece well.

And I agree with Theowne.
Patience's the best teacher, and time the best critic. - F.F.Chopin

#369964 - 11/12/07 06:33 PM Re: Chopin's Nocturne in C# Minor
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By the way, isn't the story behind this kind of odd? That he composed it to prepare his sister to play his second concerto? Is this a piece that one thinks of when they want to prepare for that concerto?
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#369965 - 11/12/07 07:17 PM Re: Chopin's Nocturne in C# Minor
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In October, 2006, about this Nocturne I wrote :

Originally posted by BruceD:
Sotto Voce :

Anecdotal evidence indicates that the posthumous C# minor Nocturne was written as an exercise for Chopin's sister to prepare her for studying the Second Piano Concerto.

While I don't have quite the disdain that you have for this work, I do agree that its loss would not have had a negative impact on the oeuvre of Chopin; it's a work that I have played through once or twice, but it is simplistic, has little substance and I certainly wouldn't spend time on it when there are so many other wonderful works by this composer one can spend a lifetime with.

I, too, being very fond of the Nocturne Op 27 No 1, expect, every time I read "the C# minor Nocturne" hope that someone is going to open a discussion on that work, but it's always the posthumous one that gets the attention. I do think the posthumous Nocturne has an immediate - albeit not long lasting - appeal, and it is relatively easy to play. How much more wealth and depth, however, can be found in the easier Preludes and Mazurkas.

Does anyone want to start a thread about the "great C# minor Nocturne"?

Regards, [/b]
Now, I am quite happy to refute my own post shortly after this thread was started over a year ago.

Recently, my teacher suggested that this was Nocturne she would like to hear me play, so I tried to approach it without too much prejudice. While I had played through it a few times, I had never worked on it, and when I began to work on it in September, it really grew on me. Technically, it is not a challenging work, so I learned it rather quickly and found that there is much beauty in its simplicity.

I was wrong to dismiss it as summarily as I did earlier; I really quite like it now, as I find it has almost as much "depth" and substance as I care to give it; it is really quite satisfying to play.

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